Ultimate 10-100 Biplane For Sale

[therajah]

Here's an ad in the for sale section.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=57445

Some pics:

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... e%2010-100

A youtube vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TwL0dz7FVQ

Any Pitts drivers have opinions on this type?

[Hedley]

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[cgzro]

A whole lot of unknowns would make me ultra cautious.
Hows are the wings, how is the fuse welding, what kind of shape is the engine in, how is the fabric...

Not a lot of pilots qualified to test that little beastie in Canada. You could check with the guy in Montreal (Francois Marquis) that built and operated one. He may be able to give you some advice on what to look out for etc. His was recently sold, ground looped and is now in a hanger in Oshawa in pieces unfortunately. Such is the fate of far too many little single seat Pitts types.

Peter

[fleet16b]

My Buddy was selling this a/c you are talking about.
A/c has been sold and is heading out west.

[HS-748 2A]

It looked like an O-360 in it, not a TCM O-200

It was a dynofocal mounted Lycoming anyhow.

Being dynofocal, I think precludes it being an O-235 or an O-320. Am I right?

[Strega]

There are dynafocal 235 for certain as I have one. I think the H2AD 320 is dynafocal... cant remember for sure

[HS-748 2A]

Strega,

I just did a search on it and I think you're right about the O-320 H2AD and a few others, it looks like use dynafocal mounts.

Cudos.

48

[mag check]

Hmm, a friend of mine built this aircraft, he never flew it, although he definitely had the skills to do so. After he finished building it, he donated it to the museum, and I thought it had the stipulation that it would NOT be sold/flown.
He is now deceased, so I find it interesting that it all of a sudden comes up for sale.

It has a io-320, ellison fuel injection, etc.

I believe it was built from drawings,(no sub assy.) and there may be something not quite right with the control cluster.

[fleet16b]

Hmm, a friend of mine built this aircraft, he never flew it, although he definitely had the skills to do so. After he finished building it, he donated it to the museum, and I thought it had the stipulation that it would NOT be sold/flown.
He is now deceased, so I find it interesting that it all of a sudden comes up for sale.

It did not "lall of a sudden comes up for sale" and was never advertised for sale.
This Ultimate was donated to a Museum by the original builder.
If he had an agreement with that Museum. it most likely was not anything written or formal.
Unless there is something in writing, it is very hard to pin a Museum to these terms and even then I have seen many a/c or artifacts leave a Museum still even after such agreements.
All that would be between the Museum and the Estate
About two years ago,the a/c became part of a rather complicated 3 way trade and ended up being aquired by a Aircraft Collector in Ontario.
He aquired the a/c stricly as an investment/ trade item. It was then offered for sale.
As stated in other replies, the a/c has had a pre purchase inspection done by an AME and bought by an owner from the west.
It will be leaving soon.
IMHO , if the a/c is built as well as stated and it seems to be a very good job ( I have inspected it) then it should be where it was intended to be , in the air.
Thats where it is headed.

[Hedley]

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[fleet16b]

Hedley

IMHO ...yours is very good advice for the fledgling Aerobatic and or tail wheel buyer

[mag check]

Hmm, a friend of mine built this aircraft, he never flew it, although he definitely had the skills to do so. After he finished building it, he donated it to the museum, and I thought it had the stipulation that it would NOT be sold/flown.
He is now deceased, so I find it interesting that it all of a sudden comes up for sale.

It did not "lall of a sudden comes up for sale" and was never advertised for sale.
This Ultimate was donated to a Museum by the original builder.
If he had an agreement with that Museum. it most likely was not anything written or formal.
Unless there is something in writing, it is very hard to pin a Museum to these terms and even then I have seen many a/c or artifacts leave a Museum still even after such agreements.
All that would be between the Museum and the Estate
About two years ago,the a/c became part of a rather complicated 3 way trade and ended up being aquired by a Aircraft Collector in Ontario.
He aquired the a/c stricly as an investment/ trade item. It was then offered for sale.
As stated in other replies, the a/c has had a pre purchase inspection done by an AME and bought by an owner from the west.
It will be leaving soon.
IMHO , if the a/c is built as well as stated and it seems to be a very good job ( I have inspected it) then it should be where it was intended to be , in the air.
Thats where it is headed.

Thanks for the reply fleet16, that aircraft was I believe the 3rd aircraft that he built, along with an acroduster, that he put over 300 hrs in, and a kelly d. I knew him for 20 years, and watched that aircraft come together.
He was a very good welder, and I think he said he was the first welder for Leavens back in the 30's.
Keep in mind that he was well in his 80's when the ultimate was built, and I'm sure his eye sight wasn't as keen as it was. I would recommend close inspection, including perhaps a sample being NDT'ed, but that's just my opinion.
The kelly d that was being built at the same time as the ulimate will never fly, as the welds and jigging are not up to par.

I have heard that the Ultimate wing is very nice to fly.

Good luck to the new owner, I hope he enjoys his new plane.


Incidentally, the Acroduster is up for sale now, single hole, 200hp, constant speed, full inverted system, very nice plane, pm for details, if there is any interest.

[fleet16b]

Mag Check

Thanks for the info.
I'll pass the word about the Acro

[cgzro]

IMHO there are two things you skills you need to have,
to fly a Pitts (or derivative) safely:
1) gotta know how to land it
2) gotta know how to unspin it
#1 will cost you money
#2 will cost you your life

I'll add one more item:
3) You gotta know how to inspect it .. very carefully!

[Hedley]

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[Strega]

Hedley,

I've never spun a S1,

But i did some acro in a S2C last year, and it was conventional..

whats so special about spinning a S1?

S

[Hedley]

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[fleet16b]

The Ultimate was packed up by it's new owners on the w/end and is on a trailer on it's way to Manitoba.
It was bought by three pilots , all in their twenties.
After talking with them , it was apparent that they takingtheir time and wanting to do things right
All three are undergoing Professional Aerobatic training in hopes of one day competeing.
They are also doing parachute training at the same time.
It is nice to see such enthusiasm.
Good luck to them all

[Hedley]

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[cgzro]

Yes I've literally done thousands of spins in s1-t. The main thing is the speed of rotation. The s2's are bigger and take time to wind up but the s1 has much less mass and it's all close to the c of g so when she goes it's quick. You can see in one of my YouTube videos where I point the camera aft and do a pos snap off a loop and that's just the first rotation speed.

The main thing is just to be calm and anslytical which is hard the first few times but is easy with some dual. It's not rocket science but can be very scary if all u have seen is a 150 spin.

Re a contest. Perhaps. New job is crazy though and I did not even make one contest this year

[cgzro]

I remember hand-propping you all the way home from
a contest, Peter - I was amazed how well you could
prime a hot AEIO-360

Thanks again for that by the way not sure I can return the favor on those 540's but perhaps if the L39 won't start I can park the Pitts in front, rev her up and spin up the turbine .. lots of interesting failure modes in that one eh! I'd hate to see the CADORs .. Pitts ingested ... BTW Didn't they used to do that with Sabres parked tail to nose?

No magic r.e. the AEIO-360, I just follow the advice Gerry Younger gave me, mixture full rich, throttle full open, then close both and start. I think the main thing is to wait to richen the mixture until the engine starts to show signs of running out of prime, that way you don't ever end up too rich which is a mess when you are hand starting of course. Too many years with finicky Radio Control aircraft engines are very helpful with a hot fuel injected Lycomings.

[mag check]

One of the new owners contacted me, and I referred them
to Harvair in Steinbach, MB which should be pretty close to
them.

Harvair has a Pitts S-2B with a 203cm MT 3-blade composite
prop, which should allow the new owners to get some dual
on landing a Pitts, and some spin training, so that they can
learn that the stick does very bad things to a docile spin.

As far as I know, that's the beauty of the Ultimate wing, it turns the s1 into a much more docile bird. Landings are supposed to be much easier as well, and if I remember correctly, the stall speed is quite slow with the ultimate wing. It has been quite a few years since I looked at one, but I think the ailerons "droop" when the stick is back.

[Hedley]

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[dangerousdave]

Ok so you're all talking about the 10-100 ( actually 150 w Ellison) my 2 partners and I bought. I'm flattered but I'm way past my 20's - been flying Pitts s1and S2 ( my S2 is in the national museum) and have an Eagle/TigerMoth /Chipmunk. Have been flying acro for 25 years. my partner is also Pitts qualified and our young 20's partner is being trained in the Eagle . he just flew his first competition in Florida in the Eagle. The Ultimate has had an extensive inspection by experienced people. it had passed it's final inspection by RAA before donated to the museum but we've confirmed is build ourselves.
It'd been repainted Black/White. Being rigged as I write and will be flying this summer. We'll post pics on the web when we can. Those in the acro world know me and can call /write if ya want info. Come out to Saskatchewan and fly some real taildraggers.
dangerous dave

[cgzro]

Good to hear she will be back in the air shortly where she belongs. Far too many Pitts types, especially S1's sit around too much!!

One thing that I did think of recently relative to the Ultimate and indeed any spring gear Pitts type is the possibility of cracking where the gear attaches. There was a fellow in the US that I flew with in contests a few times who had a 10-100 and I remember him talking about his spring geat attach point breaking, fortunatly it happened in the hanger while he was working on the plane so he was able to get something under the fuse before the wing or prop touched.

Anyway something to keep an eye on but there is always something with these little monsters that needs fixing or welding

Fly safe,

Peter