Commercial ac responsible for 4-8% of global surface warming

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Thank Jebus I fly corporate - we must not have any emissions :)

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091221/ ... .1157.html

The first analysis of emissions from commercial airline flights shows that they are responsible for 4–8% of surface global warming since surface air temperature records began in 1850 — equivalent to a temperature increase of 0.03–0.06 °C overall.

The analysis, by atmospheric scientists at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California, also shows that in the Arctic, aircraft vapour trails produced 15–20% of warming.

The results of this analysis are likely to be studied widely as nations attempt to address the impact of commercial aviation on global warming. There are around 35 million commercial airline flights every year. Studies have been conducted in Europe, with airlines coming under increased pressure as European Union leaders consider levying a carbon tax on aircraft emissions. But little research has been conducted on the topic in the United States.

Previous studies have only estimated the impacts of commercial aviation, but this is the first use of actual emissions data — from 2004 and 2006 — to calculate warming from such flights, says Mark Jacobson, a Stanford engineer who presented the analysis on 17 December at the American Geophysical Union's annual meeting in San Francisco, California.

For the latest study, Jacobson and his team developed a model for aircraft emissions that accounts for atmospheric composition, cloudiness and the physical properties of emissions, particularly of black carbon — a major part of soot.

In his presentation, Jacobson explained how the model was applied to a nine-year simulation covering 2004 to 2013, after breaking up flight routes into 300-kilometre-square grids for analysis. The model was able to calculate the characteristics of vapour trails based on the actual particulate size of emissions and their evolution over time.
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Many previous studies have assumed that the impact of aircraft emissions was the same everywhere. But the new analysis reveals that aircraft emissions increased the fraction of cirrus clouds where vapour trails were most abundant, and actually decreased the cirrus fraction in several locations by increasing the temperatures in the lower atmosphere, reducing the relative humidity in such locations.

If black-carbon emissions from aircraft could be reduced 20-fold, warming would be halted and a slight cooling would occur from plane-created vapour trails, Jacobson says.

The team's study is being peer reviewed and is expected to be published soon, Jacobson added.

David Fahey, of the Earth System Research Laboratory in Boulder, Colorado — part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration — says that studies such as Jacobson's are important to fill the gaps in aircraft-emissions data following the nation's previously "muddled" research course.

Fahey says that now European leaders are calling for carbon taxes to be levied on each commercial airline flight, the United States is being driven to catch up on aircraft-emissions research. Some of the EU proposals suggest taxing a flight for emissions along its entire route. This is "absurd", says Fahey. For a more realistic levy, high-quality research is needed on the actual impact of such emissions, he adds.
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Win-win situation for us pilots? Jack up the fare back to the good old days so it turns back into a premium service and pilots get better pay? Then again there would be a mass purge of pilots at the airline / regional level. Or EU could mandate everyone to use A380 and load it to the gills using their 800+ econ configuration.
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Interestingly, ship (maritime) traffic has a heavier environmental footprint than aviation.
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commercial airline flights shows that they are responsible for 4–8% of surface global warming since surface air temperature records began in 1850
The other 92-96% is from farting cows.
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Mark Jacobson wrote:If black-carbon emissions from aircraft could be reduced 20-fold, warming would be halted and a slight cooling would occur from plane-created vapour trails, Jacobson says.
I don't agree with the veracity of that statement. I don't buy the underlying premise either, for that matter. My habits and behaviours will continue to reflect my disbelief.
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Intentional Left Bank wrote:
Mark Jacobson wrote:If black-carbon emissions from aircraft could be reduced 20-fold, warming would be halted and a slight cooling would occur from plane-created vapour trails, Jacobson says.
I don't agree with the veracity of that statement. I don't buy the underlying premise either, for that matter. My habits and behaviours will continue to reflect my disbelief.
Agreed.

AS IF the email-forging, data-destroying climate scientist clowns even have the ability to measure changes in overall atmospheric temps in the range of 0.03 degrees??? Are they trying to tell us that the equipment used to measure those temps 150 years ago had anywhere near the types of tolerances required to analyze it that finely?

This whole thing is just chatter to keep people distracted from other shit going on in the world, and it is ridiculous. People who buy into it are morons.
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yycflyguy wrote:
commercial airline flights shows that they are responsible for 4–8% of surface global warming since surface air temperature records began in 1850
The other 92-96% is from farting cows.
Anybody wanna help me patent a catalytic converter that fits in a cow's ass? I need a trial assistant.
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Stan Darsh wrote:Anybody wanna help me patent a catalytic converter that fits in a cow's ass? I need a trial assistant.
Sure. I'll design it, build it, and deliver it to the testing location, but from then on it's up to you.
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Sulako wrote: The first analysis of emissions from commercial airline flights shows that they are responsible for 4–8% of surface global warming since surface air temperature records began in 1850 — equivalent to a temperature increase of 0.03–0.06 °C overall.
This paper is such a load of poo, even by choosing 1850 as a start date is bullpoo. So let me get this straight, aircraft are responsible for 4–8% of warming of the last 150 years even though they only been around for roughly 100 of those years and not that prevalent till the last 60. Wow that makes great sense. So either they are responsible for a much greater chunk of global warming of the last 60 years or the author choose to start with 1850 because it made global warming number seem worse.
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AS IF the email-forging, data-destroying climate scientist clowns
Right, because the oil and gas companies have no stake WHATSOEVER in the climate change discussions. You can't honestly believe that that those "hacked" email accounts from said scientists were untouched and not doctored in anyway. I find it hard to believe that that scientists everywhere from around the world are secretly manipulating numbers and facts in order to change the public's perception of global warming. Ever seen the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car"? There are always two sides to every story.
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I don't know about you guys and gals, but I have a hard time believing this global warming BS when winter comes around and the temps go down to -20 to -30 (or worse). The earth has natural warming and cooling cycles that take a loooong time to complete, and frankly, we don't have data from a long enough time ago to prove that this is caused by us and not simply a natural warming cycle. :roll: Now, don't get me wrong, I like the idea of efficiency, and I like new inventions, but I don't think that temperature increases were caused solely by us, nor do I believe that pointing fingers at people does anyone any good. :/
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I'm just glad that the world's political leaders have gone beyond arguing whether or not global warming is occurring, but rather arguing over what to do about it.

Aviation stands to lose a lot, so most of our formed opinions on the subject are inherently biased.
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I agree with that sentiment. Even if we are not as influential on the earth's climate as many think we are, we still need to change the way we get and use energy. We WILL run out of oil eventually, and we still need clean water, green space, etc.
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Global Warming Farce – Could We Soon Be Blamed For Global Cooling?

It's time the citizens of this world took back the control of their destiny and stopped this madness and really starting worrying about the things that matter. Wars and their associated cost and contamination and the poor of the world both within the G20 countries and those in the third world. Could one imagine the savings of trillions of dollars for our respective economies and the saving in environmental damage?


http://www.paltelegraph.com/columnists/ ... al-cooling

we all need to wake up to the agendas and bite back
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Panama Jack wrote:Interestingly, ship (maritime) traffic has a heavier environmental footprint than aviation.
P.J., what is the arguemnt there? I'm curious. Obviously you do not mean 'per-pound/mile', but maybe in total?

And are you including all the inocent planctons smushed by big ship propellers?
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To be fair temperatures have been rising since records began in the mid 19th Century. Also known as the "little ice age" this was well known as the coolest time in the last 10,000 years (ice core records). I'd be worried if they weren't rising, or we'd be facing apocalyptic global cooling as predicted only a few decades ago. Just watch CBC's documentary Doomsday Cooled Off:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2407994295#
Whatever the climate lobby think it's important to keep this two-sided. There are still many scientists who don't think humans are causing global warming. Why is it important either way? Because we're about to get bent over and taxed out of our arse to fund carbon capture, carbon taxes etc. etc.
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How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z0aYwCg8Zk
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Make no mistake ... these global warming clowns are the sworn enemy of the transportation industry ... which means you.

If you think that the impact of SARS, the National Energy Policy, or even 9-11 had a disastrous regional effect on aviation, just wait til these refugees from a Hippy Commune are protesting in the streets and pulling their high-jinks ... as they always do, and begin to have an effect on the great unwashed public.

There goes your job ... and it won't come back either.

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