CFB Trenton Wing Commander charged two counts murder . . .

[robbreid]

Colonel Russ Williams has been charged with two counts of first degree murder in a Nov 09 suspicious death of a Woman Marie Comeau a flight attendant at CFB Trenton, and a second woman Jessica Lloyd form Jan 2010.

His house has been searched and the missing women's body was found in his house - he was arrested on Sunday in Ottawa.

I'm sure CFB Trenton must be in shock.

[Tim]

do you have a link for this? i googled it and found nothing.

disregard, found this

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2 ... 91976.html

[snoopy]

Really?

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&clien ... =&aq=f&oq=

[stmymdy]

holy f***.
anyone know the degree of the military police's involvement with the investigation?

[robbreid]

I posted the thread during the news conference, it sounded like they were going to name him, so I had the post typed out already.

Said they stopped him in a random stop at a roadside canvas last Thursday, whatever he said lead investigators to him.

Video showed his home on CFB Base, and said he is married, also said they searched his home in Tweed finding a body this morning.
So I'm thinking he had two homes?, one in Tweed where he was from, and another on base where is wife is????

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/8w-8e/ ... asp?id=675

I did hear a press statement say he was a 'jet pilot', became a instructor, then flew the Challenger Jets.

[sapper6fd]

I spent 5 years in the Army myself and here are the rules.

The Canadian Forces follows the DND Act and all personnel are exempt from the Criminal Code of Canada. That being said, there is nothing stopping the military from saying he will be charged in the Canadian Courts. This can be done and has been done in the past (For example, there is no charge for Rape in the military, Sexual Assault is the closest so rape cases are handed off to Civilian Courts). Usually if the offence is committed off base on leave, or in an non military setting its handed off to the RCMP / OPP to handle. For charges that are extreme Civilian courts are almost always used as the maximum sentence under the DND Act is 2 years less a day and a dishonorable discharge.

The MP's would have conducted the search of his residence if he lives on base with the RCMP / OPP acting as witnesses to the search. If he lived off base and the DND has handed the case over to them RCMP / OPP, they would have conducted the search. Because the OPP are involved the Military Police and the JAG have probably handed the case over to them.

There is nothing stopping the Military from completing their own investigation and laying their own charges as well. If convicted at a Military tribunal, he could be forced to serve his Military sentence in prison first, followed by his Civilian sentence afterwards. This will probably happen because of the death of the Corporal that he killed.

I don’t see anything on the Charge sheets on the JAG's DND site.

http://www.jmc-cmj.forces.gc.ca/ccm-cmc ... ng.asp?m=2

[Meatservo]

I vaguely recall an incident some years ago, a couple of high school students who also happened to be Air Cadets were involved in some kind of dickens at their school, either making a bomb threat or bringing some kind of firearms to the school. Anyway, what I remember about the whole thing is that the news reported that the Military Police were the first people to pay these young fellas a visit. I'm thinking that if the Military Police are called for something involving a couple of kids whose connection to the armed forces is spurious at best, they are going to be FULLY involved in the matter of a regular force Officer who murders people, especially other members.

[sapper6fd]

The Military Police will most certainly be involved. The guy is a Commanding Officer which means he probably has Protected Level C information (one level bellow Secret) and probably has Secret Level security clearance. Im sure there are documents in his house that the OPP wont have clearance to view.

The Military will be watching this one very closely and theirs going to be hell to pay when all is said and done.

[C-FABH]

The Military Police will most certainly be involved. The guy is a Commanding Officer which means he probably has Protected Level C information (one level bellow Secret) and probably has Secret Level security clearance. Im sure there are documents in his house that the OPP wont have clearance to view.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch ... c7742.html

"The joint investigative team would like to thank the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service their assistance and cooperation."

[GoinNowhereFast]

Shocking, just shocking

[robbreid]

Colonel Russ Williams

DND Press Release

[Kilo-Kilo]

Thoughts are for the families right know.

[SAR_YQQ]

The Canadian Forces follows the DND Act and all personnel are exempt from the Criminal Code of Canada.

Incorrect - all members of the CF are subject to the NDA and the CCC.

For charges that are extreme Civilian courts are almost always used as the maximum sentence under the DND Act is 2 years less a day and a dishonorable discharge.

Not quite - the maximum amount of time that you can spend in the military detention barracks in Edmonton (aka Club Ed) is 2 years. After that you are remanded into a civilian prison.

NIS would have been directly involved with the process - however the case is entirely in the hands of the OPP.

[N181CS]

Incorrect - all members of the CF are subject to the NDA and the CCC.

+1

No Person or Corporation other then someone with diplomatic immunity is exempt from the CC even when overseas.

[C-GGGQ]

and I'm headed to CFB Trenton in two weeks. Odd timing

[sapper6fd]

Not quite - the maximum amount of time that you can spend in the military detention barracks in Edmonton (aka Club Ed) is 2 years. After that you are remanded into a civilian prison.

NIS would have been directly involved with the process - however the case is entirely in the hands of the OPP.

I was unaware they trasnfered you afterwards! I stand corrected.

[stmymdy]

(For example, there is no charge for Rape in the military, Sexual Assault is the closest so rape cases are handed off to Civilian Courts)

there is no charge for rape in canadian criminal law, sexual assault is "rape"
and, as said before, all canadian citizen are subject to the C.C.

im just interested to know if the rcmp/opp have the file on this
or if it is a mp file being worked in conjunction with the rcmp/opp

thanks for the info tho!

[flightlead]

For the sake of right vs wrong .... this man is innocent until proven guilty . I find it hard to believe a well rounded, respectful Colonel in the Canadian Forces, is capable of such evil acts. If the evidence is hand's down strong, I hope that he ultimately gets what he deserves.

[shitdisturber]

Not quite - the maximum amount of time that you can spend in the military detention barracks in Edmonton (aka Club Ed) is 2 years. After that you are remanded into a civilian prison.

NIS would have been directly involved with the process - however the case is entirely in the hands of the OPP.

I was unaware they trasnfered you afterwards! I stand corrected.

That's the joys of screwing up when you're in the military; you get to do your two years less a day of hard time, and it really is hard time, before Club fed gets you for the rest of it. That's assuming they don't charge you with something else while you're in Edmonton, ie insubordination. Either way, if convicted this guy faces a lot of unpleasant time. When he's finally turned over to the federal prison system; he's looking at spending the rest of his sentence in segregation since rapist/murderers aren't hugely popular with other prisoners. Neither are cops/soldiers.

[Nark]

Just curious,

Why would anybody have sensitive documents at their house? Even homes that are provided?



Canadian Military justice is way outside my scope, so my normal banter has nothing to add to this thread.

My condolences to the victims family.

[shitdisturber]

Just curious,

Why would anybody have sensitive documents at their house? Even homes that are provided?



Canadian Military justice is way outside my scope, so my normal banter has nothing to add to this thread.

My condolences to the victims family.

I would be surprised if he did, even in the Base Commander's residence provided. That's as quick a way as any I can think of to find yourself in front of a court martial.

[sapper6fd]

I've seen it happen, not at his level but I've seen admin clerks and Logistics Officers taking documents home to work on in the past. Not saying he did, but it happens.

[AuxBatOn]

You can take documents home, just not document classified above Protected A.

If I am caught bringing Secret documents home, I'm in for BIG trouble and I can probably kiss my carreer goodbye. Even in the squadron we are not allowed to discuss classified materiel outside appropriately classified area (ie: no tactics talk outside the Mission Planning area). As far as classified documents, they need to be locked up and accounted for at the beginning and end of every day.

[C-GOYR]

Very sad situation and my sympathies to the families of these two women. Why this guy would want to throw away so much will probably never be answered.

[snoopy]

It's not what he has thrown away, it is what he may have done to other human beings that is unfathomable.

Kirsten B.