Low Flying---Nice but illegal but fun!

C-150Pilot · Post by **C-150Pilot** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:15 pm

Check this out. Tell us your LOW flying stories

Not bad.
http://www.airviolence.com/request.php?64

Very Dangerous. Stupid idiot went under powerlines. This stupid kid think he is James Bond or sumthing lol.!
http://www.airviolence.com/request.php?164

Tell us yours stories

The Dangerzone! · Post by **The Dangerzone!** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:44 pm

WOW!!

Im sure all sorts of people will jump all over that sort of behavior, but that was crazy. THose are some pretty damm good flying skills, regardless of if he should have been doin it or not. What kind of plane was that, was it a 172 or 152

C-150Pilot · Post by **C-150Pilot** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:46 pm

I think its a 152...not sure

motherfokker · Post by **motherfokker** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:02 pm

Whoa thats some cool sh**t

SkyKing · Post by **SkyKing** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:02 pm

definatelt not a cessna, it's t-tail, don't know what it is though

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:05 pm

Talk to pipeline pilots and crop dusters about flying low. They've got the best stories.

floatman · Post by **floatman** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:07 pm

ya..it's the new C-152/PT6/Retractable/Pressurized/ with flush rivets and speedbrakes. It'll take you from point "A" to the place where you can buy a grip in about .3 at .80 @310

I can see the obit. now.... C-150 Pilot broke his mother's heart when he crashed while trying to roll a C-150 while flying low and hurling insults over the radio to a former JetsGo pilot.

Get a grip Junior.

ice ice baby · Post by **ice ice baby** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:09 pm

They'd best keep an eye

out for the powerlines

C-150Pilot · Post by **C-150Pilot** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:43 pm

ya..it's the new C-152/PT6/Retractable/Pressurized/ with flush rivets and speedbrakes. It'll take you from point "A" to the place where you can buy a grip in about .3 at .80 @310

I can see the obit. now.... C-150 Pilot broke his mother's heart when he crashed while trying to roll a C-150 while flying low and hurling insults over the radio to a former JetsGo pilot.

Get a grip Junior.

Cheeze man calm down.

East Coaster · Post by **East Coaster** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:55 pm

OT: What's the backgroud music in the first one? anyone know the artists or song name?

n/m
Robyn - Blow my mind

East Coaster · Post by **East Coaster** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:00 pm

floatman wrote: I can see the obit. now.... C-150 Pilot broke his mother's heart when he crashed while trying to roll a C-150 while flying low and hurling insults over the radio to a former JetsGo pilot.

Get a grip Junior.

Hahahahaha!

Blue Side Down · Post by **Blue Side Down** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:06 pm

Quite irresponsible and reckless, but none the less fun to do (and to watch) so long as you fly alone and knowing full well that you will kill yourself right quick if you mess up. Gives the advice "Don't f@ck up" real meaning.

It looked like he always had an out, though, so the only damage he could do would be to crater himself in. I'm not sure how his buddy filming would feel about that though... sure would suck to go in because of someone else's screw up- especially if that pax was a non pilot or low timer.

Thanks for the post... seems like an interesting site, too.

For anyone who's going to try this stuff for the first time remember:

The ground is hard and dosen't care.

...and always leave yourself an out- engine failures at low altitude with nowhere to land can be embarassing.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:09 pm

That's some ballsy stuff...who hasn't had the urge...really?

But what takes the most guts/stupidity:

To fly those maneuvers?
To video them and distribute it on the internet?
Or to buy a domain named airviolence.com?

Blue Side Down · Post by **Blue Side Down** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:16 pm

I'd say to fly them... you can't really die doing the second two.

Stupidity and luck... all it takes. Guts is just a fancy way of saying 'stupidity'.

scm · Post by **scm** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:32 pm

uh oh - he flew within 500 feet of that person, vessel, vehicle or structure

bush pilot · Post by **bush pilot** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:54 pm

Determined Wrote:
THose are some pretty damm good flying skills.

So you are impressed with someone who can fly low and turn a plane slightly to the left and right! I'm sorry but that is not enough to impress me. You sound like a bunch of low timers being impressed by something that is endangering both the pilot/pax and the poeple on the ground. Don't get me wrong I have done a few, but I grew out of that stage after hearing about my buddies roommate's beaver being cut in half on a unmarked power line then seeing the end result of a 172 flyby on a truck that didn't go as planned.

Blue side down wrote:
It looked like he always had an out.

Please explain to me how he has "a way out" in all situations. You even contradict yourself in your own post by saying to watch out for engine failures. what I see is a jack ass flying to low over snow which in some area's is very hard to get depth perception, all I could picture is him catching a wing in the snow and doing a couple of cartwheel's. Seen it before and will see it again. Grow up.

LH · Post by LH » Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:16 am

From someone who has done Hydro line construction work with a helicopter, a word of advice. Most power lines have a very thin wire running above the transmission lines and that's called the "Static Line". Sometimes they run that Static line UNDER the tramsmission lines and it sags down to as low as 60'of the ground and it is absoluteli impossible to see it until too late. If one should ever fly down the Sagenauy River from Chicoutimi to the St. Lawrence and try what that pilot did, your funeral will be held three days later...........AND that's not the only place in Canada or the US like that. In my world, what that pilot did is known as "a brain cramp".

Try having to fly low because it's part of the "job description" and you soon find out that "it's a long alley without trash cans".

3juggs · Post by **3juggs** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:22 am

Looking back at when I was working on commecial and had around 100 hrs under my belt burning off solo time with just enough skill to think I was better than I really was makes me realize how lucky I really am. I spent hours at five feet over rivers and cranking and banking around trees, under wires and other obstacles. I felt like a god. Little did I know I was an accident report just waiting to happen. Then one flight turning final on one of those 747 circuits your instuctor shits on you about at a ATF I made a real big f*** up, I extended full flaps beyond glide range of the field which is a big no no and had to apply about 1700 RPM to fix up the approach. 10 secs into the approach the engine quit and at about 400 ft with no engine & full flaps I wasn't so cocky. No training can prepare you for that empty feeling you get in your gut when you realize not only can it happen to you but it's happening and you got about 30 sec to get this A/C on the ground. Don't open your month because at that alitude nobody is going to help you now. I was lucky enough to be able to get it to a two lane highway and the only skill that all the low level flying helped me with was banking between two trees about twenty feet apart landing downhill, on ice with a light tailwind coming up a S-10's ass who didn't see me first or last. Not a mark on the plane only to my ego. I just want those new pilots to learn from my mistakes because every foot closer to the ground shortens the amount of time you have to deal with a real emergency.There is nobody besides you telling you "o.k. simulated engine failure" everything just goes really silent and all you can hear is the air whisling by and your heavy breathing over the intercom. Nothing cool about that believe me. To all those instructors out there, if a student of mine goes to put down flaps beyond glide distance I take the opportunity to give them a simulated forced approach, they will get the point!!!!It's better to learn from other peoples mistakes, you won't live long enough to make them on your own is not just a saying it's words to live by!!!!

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:42 am

And these videos are why we have fourteen thousand regulations trying to protect us from ourselves, and an attitude/movement within some quarters at TC to get rid of GA. A couple of jackass kids who lack the maturity to fly responsibly. They rate right up there with street racers and drunk drivers; same "to cool to happen to me" mentality.

C-150Pilot · Post by **C-150Pilot** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:01 am

Im totaly with you guyz. Its friken stupid.

jumperdumper · Post by **jumperdumper** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:18 am

Why is it not consider reckless when done for a movie or media project but it is when someone is out having a little fun? Thats what drew me to flying, the risk, adrenline, and the skill required to yank and bank through those situtations. I did alot of low flying int he DC3 and Caravair and learned how to stay on top of things at those altitudes. It made me a better pilot.

cloudrunner · Post by **cloudrunner** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:28 am

jumperdumper wrote:Why is it not consider reckless when done for a movie or media project but it is when someone is out having a little fun?

I think the point being made here to a young fella is There is a time and a place.... and it's not in a 150 with 73.2 hours. When your JOB DESCRIPTION takes you down on the deck...fine... but until then you best be staying up where the eagles soar.

Blue Side Down · Post by **Blue Side Down** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:43 am

bush pilot wrote: Please explain to me how he has "a way out" in all situations. You even contradict yourself in your own post by saying to watch out for engine failures. what I see is a jack ass flying to low over snow which in some area's is very hard to get depth perception, all I could picture is him catching a wing in the snow and doing a couple of cartwheel's. Seen it before and will see it again. Grow up.

While flying alongside the road, he had both airspeed and a field to land on at all times exept towards the end, when spacing between him and the obstacles at the far end became an issue. The turn at the very end was indeed very foolish - I can think of a few different ways the he could have managed to clip a tree and smear himself into the Finnish countryside.

Flying over the lake he had the frozen surface to use as an obstacle free crash zone. Again, with snow on the surface, the probability of finding yourself inverted when the motion stops is pretty good. That tends to make your next takeoff trickey and might piss off the aircraft owner. My thought, though, is so long as he dosen't kill anybody else or damage anybody's property (land excluded- obviously inevitable) when he does crater in, then he's free to do whatever his ego dictates. Of course, he's also responsible if or when the authorities catch up... or then again he might be a Finnish Air Force jock who's on the right side of the law and can get away with this stuff.

I'm not sure how you find me "contradicting myself". The 'out' (out= a obstacle free surface) is specifically for dealing with the risk of having your engine cut out at an inopportune time. For example, when you're crossing a ridge, you approach at a 45* angle so that if your engine does quit, you aren't committed. Same goes for this low flying game- if you're trimming the treetops over a fairly large forest and you're engine gives it up, you're going to be sleeping with the squirrels. Thus, it's favorable to fly such that you're either over a landable field, or carrying enough airspeed to get over that hedge and into the neighboring field.

As for low flying in general, yes I agree... it is dangerous and immature, as you say. But at the same time it's much like skydiving- it gives a rush that some people enjoy- ringing death's doorbell and then running away. So long as they know that one slip, or one token of bad luck and they're dead (provided they understand death) then they're free to buzz around as they like. This activity has killed people in the past and will continue to do so, it's only a matter of time until the next accident report is published. Mix high speed with low altitude and ignorance, then the results are sure to be spectacular.

Blue Skies

xduster · Post by **xduster** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:47 pm

Wow! I cropdusted for years and have gone over and under many power lines (and threw... once!

)and it looks just like that in real life.

It was reckless flying alongside those cars or right next to the ship. With him turning right away over the highway leads me to believe he hasn't had a lot of low flying experience.... Nothing wrong if you want to toss your own plane around and do all that but as long as your not endangering the lives of someone beside or around you.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:52 pm

Jumperdumper, your question answers itself. The fact that you don't understand the differences between going out and doing adhoc low flying and working on a carefully planned, prepared and choreographed movie stunt sequence is the reason you should not be doing it.

Blueside, should this guy be allowed to do what he wants as long as he's not putting others at risk; perhaps. But how does he know he's not putting others at risk? He might think he's not, but he doesn't really know because he doesn't have control over these people he's buzzing around. He has no way of knowing how that truck driver will react, and I doubt he's done any planning whatsoever for his irresponsible display of jackass airmanship. Has he explained to his camera carrying passenger all the hazards associated with this type of flying? Probably not because he probably doesn't have a clue himself.