WASAYA WANNABE PROGRAM?

[flyboy69]

Hey I heard that the wannabe program is back. Can anyone confirm this?

[aero driver]

whats that the ramp ill take duu job

[Gorgons]

ALPA Rocks !!! Another victory

Apprentice Pilot Program.pdf

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[flyboy69]

1)How many people are there right now?

2)Who do I contact about a job? CP?

[Gorgons]

Attention to detail is a skill that will come in very handy in a cockpit, there was a couple of names and phone numbers listed.

[lionheart27]

Not that I'm knocking the idea to help low-time pilots break into the industry but:
When they say
if qualified and suitable, may be offered entrance into the apprenticeship program and be used as Caravan First Officers when needed.

I get a little annoyed at this because you could literally work your a@# off, do everything right, be a great pilot but not be accepted into the F/O position. I think it should be a contractual agreement that after proving your skills and knowledge of "company" you will be promoted to F/O. If after a certain period your not, the contract is null and void releasing both parties. Point being if after 3 months lets say this should be clear. This 18 mths on the ground waiting for a F/O position sounds crazy. Go Instruct and make money and fly planes.
1) your flying
2) Your making more than a ground position most likely or work in conjunction w/ground/ instruct ground of flight and dispatch.
3) Valuable PIC flying hours are made. Rep as an instructor to an employer.
4) 1-11/2yrs ATPL or a great job as a Instructor or possibly a CFI with money for spending
Just a more sane approach in my books. What is your goal? Where do you want to be?

[Doc]

So, just so I have this straight, a professional pilot union is supporting the idea of taking LICENCED Commercial pilots, and placing them in a manual labour position outside of the cockpit?
All this for a year and a half, on the "offhand" chance of eventually being placed in the highly sought out position of "right seat meat" in a Caravan?
This industry is way more screwed up than even I was willing to give it credit for!
I would suppose they are to use this time to save their money for the next step in the "let's really screw 'm" ladder of success? The almighty first PPC?
You guys HAVE to be kidding....

[North Shore]

Perhaps, Doc, the professional pilots' union just wants more dues-paying members?

[Doc]

Perhaps, Doc, the professional pilots' union just wants more dues-paying members?

The way I understand it, they've been collecting dues from these scuker, um,er, pilots for neigh on two years now....and they still have NO contract? They do, however have the cute little lanyards that say "We don't fly for free.." They should read..."We bought our jobs..."
So, what are Wasaya pilots getting for their dues....? Abused.

[Slats]

Go Instruct and make money and fly planes.

Better yet, go fly a single piston in the bush, make money and get some useful PIC time, if you're lucky enough to land such a job.

However, since there are more fresh CPL's than entry-level jobs, it is inevitable that some will be relegated to these types of jobs. No need to piss on them for doing what they have to to stay in the industry.

[Meatservo]

Attention to detail is a skill that will come in very handy in a cockpit, there was a couple of names and phone numbers listed.

You'll get farther with these types of people if you say "core competencies" instead of "skills"; and "metrics of sucess" rather than "criteria". FYI.

[Gorgons]

Not sure why people are getting bent out of shape on this. There is no chance anybody in the program can get shafted its got ALPA's backing. I'm sure they have negotiated an excellent pay scale and will ensure seniority based progression. I don’t know where everybody is getting this year and a half requirement from, it doesn’t say that anywhere. The forklift training bond is only going to be a 6 month bond. There is a catch that says you can’t change forklift types until you have a minimum of 3 months on initial type but that’s not a big deal because they only have two types. I’m open to discussion on this but I don’t think there’s much value in jumping to the forklift with dual tires, not many operators using those anymore. I thought the option to go onto the deice cart was pretty cool and at $699.95 for an extra 3 month it’s a bargain. Worst case scenario is 9 months and you come out of it with great experience on two equipment types plus northern time! Can you say resume builder.

[frankfrank]

Doc Said:

Wasaya treats their pilots like crap. The pilots are all real good folks.

The way I understand it, they've been collecting dues from these scuker, um,er, pilots

Geez Doc, most people I consider to be "good folks", I don't normally turn around and call "suckers".

So, what are Wasaya pilots getting for their dues....? Abused.

Are you suggesting paying union dues is a poor choice on the part of these suckers...er...um... pilots? Would you instead suggest that they contact their management, ditch their union, and accept the "pilot policy" that (from what I'm told) would have seen their wages slashed and working conditions reduced?

The Wasaya pilots found themselves in a bad situation, I hear they are making the best of it with the tools available from ALPA. Why not kick them while they're down though, eh!

I believe this topic was about the "pilot apprenticeship program" so lets stay on topic.

[lionheart27]

Just to advise that in the "Apprenticeship Pilot Program" PDF file two email addresses were given as to one ALPA and one Wasaya.

The ALPA one is invalid and seems to be even a typo in the name
Jeff Braunger not Jeff Braun? Unknown if this is the guy or not.

Is there a contact in Canada for ALPA? or is it just general email?

Never mind Toronto Office found but email still incorrect.

[Doc]

Doc Said:

Wasaya treats their pilots like crap. The pilots are all real good folks.

The way I understand it, they've been collecting dues from these scuker, um,er, pilots

Geez Doc, most people I consider to be "good folks", I don't normally turn around and call "suckers".

So, what are Wasaya pilots getting for their dues....? Abused.

Are you suggesting paying union dues is a poor choice on the part of these suckers...er...um... pilots? Would you instead suggest that they contact their management, ditch their union, and accept the "pilot policy" that (from what I'm told) would have seen their wages slashed and working conditions reduced?

The Wasaya pilots found themselves in a bad situation, I hear they are making the best of it with the tools available from ALPA. Why not kick them while they're down though, eh!

I believe this topic was about the "pilot apprenticeship program" so lets stay on topic.

Frankfrank, even the nicest folks can get sucked in (making them "suckers"). Happens every time a little old lady (can't get nicer than little old ladies, now can you?) sends her life's savings to some slime ball TV preacher, so he can by fuel for his G4.
I'd be interested in which "tools" you speak of supplied by ALPA (lawyers aside)? They have no contract, no right to strike, and seniority is a capital joke.
I won't use names on an open forum (nobody should) but just between us, I'd be really surprised if you could name 5 pilots, who are not management, who have been there for more than a year, who don't think they are treated like crap. I don't want the names, but I'd be surprised.
I stand by my remarks about the pilots being food sorts. I've never met one I wouldn't trust to get the job done, in a safe and professional manner.

[icewa]

Doc Said:

Wasaya treats their pilots like crap. The pilots are all real good folks.

The way I understand it, they've been collecting dues from these scuker, um,er, pilots

Geez Doc, most people I consider to be "good folks", I don't normally turn around and call "suckers".

So, what are Wasaya pilots getting for their dues....? Abused.

Are you suggesting paying union dues is a poor choice on the part of these suckers...er...um... pilots? Would you instead suggest that they contact their management, ditch their union, and accept the "pilot policy" that (from what I'm told) would have seen their wages slashed and working conditions reduced?

The Wasaya pilots found themselves in a bad situation, I hear they are making the best of it with the tools available from ALPA. Why not kick them while they're down though, eh!

I believe this topic was about the "pilot apprenticeship program" so lets stay on topic.

Frankfrank, even the nicest folks can get sucked in (making them "suckers"). Happens every time a little old lady (can't get nicer than little old ladies, now can you?) sends her life's savings to some slime ball TV preacher, so he can by fuel for his G4.
I'd be interested in which "tools" you speak of supplied by ALPA (lawyers aside)? They have no contract, no right to strike, and seniority is a capital joke.
I won't use names on an open forum (nobody should) but just between us, I'd be really surprised if you could name 5 pilots, who are not management, who have been there for more than a year, who don't think they are treated like crap. I don't want the names, but I'd be surprised.
I stand by my remarks about the pilots being food sorts. I've never met one I wouldn't trust to get the job done, in a safe and professional manner.

That's the kind of attitude that does not help at all. Maybe you should volunteer to help because I'm sure the ALPA reps are doing their best, but if in your mind they are not, you could contact them and offer to help.

[Doc]

icewa, it's not an attitude, it's just the facts. Just the facts, mam.

[TAWS]

it's just the facts. Just the facts, mam.

You've got no idea what the facts are...

Unless of course ALPA and Wasaya management are having their contract meetings in the Poplar Hill MTO building, while you sit on one of the ass coaches, watching Springer, waiting for your weekly court charter, enjoying life!

[frankfrank]

Well said TAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sepia]

Is there any of the old wannabe's still working in Red or Pickle? If not, this may be the most insane time possible to start. Normally when they hire wannabes you're looking at 5-10 people on a list ahead of you waiting for flying positions. With the normal back log potentially non existent now, it could make for some very very speedy ramp waits before you're in the planes.

[mrsapproach]

what a joke, people just stay away from this company unless of course you want to spend money.

[Doc]

what a joke, people just stay away from this company unless of course you want to spend money.

Now this is an intelligent post! STAY AWAY!!

[Bushav8er]

what a joke, people just stay away from this company unless of course you want to spend money.

Now this is an intelligent post! STAY AWAY!!

No, no. Its fine. You youngsters spend your time working a dock, save your pennies, get in the Wannabe program, save your nickels, then give all of it back to them for your job, get the experience and move on to another dumb *ss company, rinse and repeat.

[hairdo]

Not sure why people are getting bent out of shape on this. There is no chance anybody in the program can get shafted its got ALPA's backing. I'm sure they have negotiated an excellent pay scale and will ensure seniority based progression. I don’t know where everybody is getting this year and a half requirement from, it doesn’t say that anywhere. The forklift training bond is only going to be a 6 month bond. There is a catch that says you can’t change forklift types until you have a minimum of 3 months on initial type but that’s not a big deal because they only have two types. I’m open to discussion on this but I don’t think there’s much value in jumping to the forklift with dual tires, not many operators using those anymore. I thought the option to go onto the deice cart was pretty cool and at $699.95 for an extra 3 month it’s a bargain. Worst case scenario is 9 months and you come out of it with great experience on two equipment types plus northern time! Can you say resume builder.

I'm going to hope for the best, and find out that this is a load of BS, and you are a troll. I'm going to hope you're sitting somewhere making this sh*t up to stir the pot, because if you're not...

[Doc]

Not sure why people are getting bent out of shape on this. There is no chance anybody in the program can get shafted its got ALPA's backing. I'm sure they have negotiated an excellent pay scale and will ensure seniority based progression. I don’t know where everybody is getting this year and a half requirement from, it doesn’t say that anywhere. The forklift training bond is only going to be a 6 month bond. There is a catch that says you can’t change forklift types until you have a minimum of 3 months on initial type but that’s not a big deal because they only have two types. I’m open to discussion on this but I don’t think there’s much value in jumping to the forklift with dual tires, not many operators using those anymore. I thought the option to go onto the deice cart was pretty cool and at $699.95 for an extra 3 month it’s a bargain. Worst case scenario is 9 months and you come out of it with great experience on two equipment types plus northern time! Can you say resume builder.

I'm going to hope for the best, and find out that this is a load of BS, and you are a troll. I'm going to hope you're sitting somewhere making this sh*t up to stir the pot, because if you're not...

It's a JOKE hairdo.....ever heard of a JOKE??? The dumbing down continues....