Do you have to be subservient to be a working pilot today?

[Romantic Lung]

Does = ?

[rigpiggy]

No, but it is very career limiting if you aren't

[Truckpilot]

Post subject: Do you have to be subservient to be a working pilot today?

Answer...YES!

[HO Driver]

Yes! Look what happened to the Westwind pilots who stood up for themselves.

[Hedley]

You could ask the pilots who crashed a brand new Global Express into a very short runway on the east coast that question.

You could also ask the pilots who crashed in Poland recently, killing most of the government leaders.

[Hawkerflyer]

Yes we do, until safety becomes an issue. Unfortunately, with this industry this does not always apply. At the end of the day there is not enough in place to protect a pilot. Why?..because someone else will do it if you don't. We have no one to blame but ourselves. For me, I fortunately work for a company that respects my judgement and will never push a no go situation. That said, I still am to the corporation.

[cdnpilot77]

Yes we do, until safety becomes an issue. Unfortunately, with this industry this does not always apply. At the end of the day there is not enough in place to protect a pilot. Why?..because someone else will do it if you don't. We have no one to blame but ourselves. For me, I fortunately work for a company that respects my judgement and will never push a no go situation. That said, I still am to the corporation.

Nothing wrong with being loyal and subservient when they give you the respect in return!

[Flybabe]

Nothing wrong with being loyal and subservient when they give you the respect in return!

Interesting comment.

[iflyforpie]

Yes we do, until safety becomes an issue. Unfortunately, with this industry this does not always apply. At the end of the day there is not enough in place to protect a pilot. Why?..because someone else will do it if you don't. We have no one to blame but ourselves. For me, I fortunately work for a company that respects my judgement and will never push a no go situation. That said, I still am to the corporation.

Nothing wrong with being loyal and subservient when they give you the respect in return!

Truth.

As soon as a company starts disregarding safety, regulations, or even quality of life, they are no longer worth it IMHO.

Unfortunately it seems like there is always a Captain Amazing out there who can take on more pounds, less gas, and worse weather all for the benefit of the company, with the company only too happy with the results...

[Expat]

You could ask the pilots who crashed a brand new Global Express into a very short runway on the east coast that question.

You could also ask the pilots who crashed in Poland recently, killing most of the government leaders.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20100519/159078914.html

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Talk about pressure...

[ever]

absolutely you have to be subservient.

You could ask the pilots who crashed a brand new Global Express into a very short runway on the east coast that question.

You could also ask the pilots who crashed in Poland recently, killing most of the government leaders.

Im not sure what you mean by this?


Romantic Lung, What inspired your question?

[JAG]

iflyforpie, you got that right. Companies seem to want yes people, not people that have a concern for safety.

[Hedley]

ever: re-read the post above yours. Slowly. Twice if necessary.

[Big Pistons Forever]

If being subservient means subsuming your interests in favour of the customer .... than yes I think you have to be subservient to the person(s) who is (are) paying your salary, just like in any other service industry. However this is entirely seperate from you your higher responsibilties to conduct a safe and lawfull flight as the pilot or member of a flight crew.....which can never be subsumed by the interests of your customer or your boss.

[Lurch]

which can never be subsumed by the interests of your customer or your boss.

I've never found crashing to be in the best interest of the customers or the boss. So why do pilots seem to think it is?

Lurch

[Romantic Lung]

absolutely you have to be subservient.

You could ask the pilots who crashed a brand new Global Express into a very short runway on the east coast that question.

You could also ask the pilots who crashed in Poland recently, killing most of the government leaders.

Im not sure what you mean by this?


Romantic Lung, What inspired your question?

Well,
I'm pleasantly surprised by the quantity of responses. Thanks for the feedback.

On the subject, I think Malcolm said it best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ

I think the aviation bosses only want House Negroes for pilots, Although they will never admit it.

[ever]

ever: re-read the post above yours. Slowly. Twice if necessary.

Bit defensive are we? If you'll note the time between my post and expats, you will see I posted pretty much the same time and never did read his. Simple question was asked for clarity. Have a good day.

[Bede]

I think the aviation bosses only want House Negroes for pilots, Although they will never admit it.

I have only ever worked at one company like this. I took my profession and my responsibility as PIC seriously, and said no when I needed to. I left the company with the respect of my customers and employer and I left his equipment in the shape it was when I came.

Your responsibility as PIC comes first. Stay at the company until you find another job or you get fired. Labour law does provide you with a huge amount of protection.

[N2]

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[Hedley]

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Is 99% of avcanada unemployed or new-hire pilots? Cause this is getting tedious.

Imagine you work somewhere else, like a bank. Do you have to be subservient? Well yes you do what your boss tells you to do. How about if you're an engineer? You fix what your boss tells you. How about if you're in show business? You either do what your director tells you or you write a screenplay that will be well-received.

It's getting tiresome hearing about the challenges of a 200 hour pilot on this website. You are a small subsection of the industry that seems to dominate the conversation on this website. It's like spam. Except your problems are all much more simple than whether I want penis pills for $20.

What's the big surprise that a businessman wants to be profitable? You're the PIC, you have WAY more authority than any of your friends probably do in their jobs. Read the regulations and follow them, dont be pushover that can't make his own decisions, decide something on your own and then tell people why you have made the decision you did. All this industry is asking of you is that you follow your training, which you've had TONS OF, but the large majority of you seem to want to be able to blame your employers, other pilots or customers for the fact that you don't really want to do what you think maybe you should be doing. Sack up! Do your job! It's very clearly laid out for you in the CARs and COM, the few of us that know these documents do not have problems with their employers or customers because we know what to tell them when we do not want to launch.

It's not complicated, it's written in law.

[cplpilot]

Is 99% of avcanada unemployed or new-hire pilots? Cause this is getting tedious.

Imagine you work somewhere else, like a bank. Do you have to be subservient? Well yes you do what your boss tells you to do. How about if you're an engineer? You fix what your boss tells you. How about if you're in show business? You either do what your director tells you or you write a screenplay that will be well-received.

It's getting tiresome hearing about the challenges of a 200 hour pilot on this website. You are a small subsection of the industry that seems to dominate the conversation on this website. It's like spam. Except your problems are all much more simple than whether I want penis pills for $20.

What's the big surprise that a businessman wants to be profitable? You're the PIC, you have WAY more authority than any of your friends probably do in their jobs. Read the regulations and follow them, dont be pushover that can't make his own decisions, decide something on your own and then tell people why you have made the decision you did. All this industry is asking of you is that you follow your training, which you've had TONS OF, but the large majority of you seem to want to be able to blame your employers, other pilots or customers for the fact that you don't really want to do what you think maybe you should be doing. Sack up! Do your job! It's very clearly laid out for you in the CARs and COM, the few of us that know these documents do not have problems with their employers or customers because we know what to tell them when we do not want to launch.

It's not complicated, it's written in law.

Just a question, if you say no to your bank director and decide to quit, can you find another job? probably yes... what about in aviation?

[Flying Nutcracker]

Yes, if you leave on good understanding as to why, and you are willing to explain this to your new employer. You have to be subservient to get, to leave, and to get a new job!

You are hired to do a job that you want to do because of your qualifications. You do your job with the help of your qualifications. You say no when your qualifications don't qualify for what you are asked to do.

There's no subservient part about doing a good job, its just doing your job. Being positive about your presence at a company is a big part of a job. Being a stuck up negative presence usually means you don't appreciate the business side of the job, and it is time to find something new to do!