Nobody in Toronto Gets to Sleep During the G20

[RatherBeFlying]

It's 12:30 am. Saturday and the restricted zone is stuffed full of a swarm of aircraft circling about keeping everybody dumb enough not to leave town awake all night.

I'm over by Bloor and Danforth and I can make out 3-4 different sound signatures of orbiting aircraft at low level.

Too bad all the demonstrator types didn't bring along a bunch of lasers to get these clowns out of the sky.

And now I understand why kite flying is banned -- these clowns are seriously low!

[Nark]

Too bad all the demonstrator types didn't bring along a bunch of lasers to get these clowns out of the sky

Really?










Really?

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

Forgive me, just going to rant/ comment. Just DO NOT go near your window! Next thing you know they will come through the glass, taser you to death (no jokes), and or arrest you for .......looking out the window? It’s the security that is hyping this, not really the protesters. Something about democracy + check point charley in Toronto just doesn’t seem right. Did we elect these people? This is a democracy isn't it? I kind of feel like a pawn. But hey as long as Harper is happy, were all good.

Btw, in the media today > it seems that the regular suites were not enough, they decided to go with the royal / luxurious ones. Oh yes....

[Tim]

man im glad i dont live in or around TO....actually thats true all the time, just even more so right now

[tedcuthbert]

I'm kinda glad I stuck around the city this week/weekend, traffic has been a breeze (as long as you stay away from the Queens Park/Yonge/Queen st protest areas) OK so its not the Olympics but it's kind of exiting to be hear. I even spent 2 mins in a protest Thurs, just so I could say been there...done that. (hey, it was for world peace...you cant argue that one). As for the surveillance AC, the RCMP has been circling all week (must be getting dizzy) I'm glad they are using fixed wing for the most part (206's & 208's) they haven't bothered anyone I've talked to, cant usually hear them over the streetcars & other background noise, and on the plus side, airspace is closed today & tomorrow, so we wont have all that other sightseeing & news heli traffic we usually have.

[dcabrown]

I'm digging all the extra air traffic.

I've got a nice view of the downtown skyline and was just watching what looked like a C206 buzzing around.

And like another poster stated, the traffic has been great in most areas.. however a nightmare in others. Was coming into the city yesterday at 5pm and breazed right into the downtown core along the gardiner.

For people complaining about the extra noise down here, I hear Fergus/Elora is nice and quiet.

[Bank Angle]

I was given in choice early this morning, YHM-YMX: either a re-route via St. Catharines to avoid the 30 nm restricted airspace or be capped at 15000' until east of Oshawa. I didn't questions the logic, but how would keeping us down lower for the more direct route basically straight accross Toronto improve security of the airspace!?!? We took the re-route but in hindsite probably would have enjoyed the "low level" view of the city much more...

[CanterburyTail]

I live right by the Rogers Centre and we keep getting buzzed by Hueys all day. These pilots need to be reprimanded. Seriously they're flying lower than the top of our tower, and between the towers. They are far too close to the buildings. Looks to be not much more than a rotor diameter from buildings, if that.

[Moose47]

>>>Too bad all the demonstrator types didn't bring along a bunch of lasers to get these clowns out of the sky.<<<

You are fucking kidding, right????

[Moose47]

>>>I live right by the Rogers Centre and we keep getting buzzed by Hueys all day. These pilots need to be reprimanded. Seriously they're flying lower than the top of our tower, and between the towers. They are far too close to the buildings. Looks to be not much more than a rotor diameter from buildings, if that.>>>

I am sure what you are seeing are Canadian Air Force CH-146 Griffons. I think you will find they have special exemptions for the time the summit is going on. I suppose you could give Transport Canada a dingle and fill them in on what you are witnessing, but then again...they already know. It will be all over in a few days. Crack open a beer and put a porno in the DVD and chill out.

[erics2b]

Too bad all the demonstrator types didn't bring along a bunch of lasers to get these clowns out of the sky.

[. ._]

From one pilot to another, the whole laser suggestion is just wrong.

A manly Avcanada poster admits stupid statements, may request deletion of his own thread or apologizes. I have done all 3 at one time or another.

I AM MANLY!!!!



-istp

[YYZatcboy]

Come on now, Let's let him use his laser and then watch what happens when he faces the consequences. Should be worth a good laugh.

On a serious side... Lasers at aircraft are never cool, I hope you were joking.

[AEROBAT]

I am really baffled as to why they have to hold these G20 events in a major city. The taxpayers have spent enough on the security to buy a small island in the Pacific ocean! All it serves to do is attract all the nutbars into a metro location.

Is anyone surprised that people might be a little pissed off at governments that have trashed the worlds economy to maintain a veneer of status quo? They want to solve a global debt problem by borrowing more money from banks that for all intent are bankrupt

[Old Dog Flying]

Chris...I'm with you on that one!

[linecrew]

I live right by the Rogers Centre and we keep getting buzzed by Hueys all day. These pilots need to be reprimanded. Seriously they're flying lower than the top of our tower, and between the towers. They are far too close to the buildings. Looks to be not much more than a rotor diameter from buildings, if that.

Lucky buggers. I'm sure the pilots are having a hoot flying between building and what not.

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

What an intense day in Toronto.....

So .....1 billion dollars later... cop cars on fire, tear gas, rubber bullets, 130 arrested, thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of damage. Hope it was a productive day in red zone atleast!

[C-FABH]

The aircraft have nice FLIR and camera pods on them. C208s, Caravans, AS350s, etc.... Any laser pointing would be well recorded and tracked!

[eye_in_the_sky]

RatherBeFlying, you have to be kidding me. Give your head a shake! The aircraft circling downtown are for the protection of everyone, yourself included! If the protestors were burning police cars outside your building, i'm sure you would be singing a different tune. As far as low flying aircraft, if you read the CAR's, aircraft working under police operation are exempt. Get over it or get out of town.

[Jaques Strappe]

I can't figure out why they just can't float these clowns out to sea on a barge in the Gulf of Mexico and let them pretend to solve the worlds problems from there. Sure would save a lot of money and needless aggravation.

[. ._]

If they did that, the media would have to cover actual issues instead of making a quick buck off of a sensational minority and skirting the issues.

[cdnpilot77]

If they did that, the media would have to cover actual issues instead of making a quick buck off of a sensational minority and skirting the issues.

God forbid they cover actual issues, how dare you make such a suggestion?!?!?!

[The Old Fogducker]

ISTP ... since you are obviously an expert on the business practices of a broadcasting company, tell me oh masterful one, how does a broadcast outlet make a "quick buck" on the coverage of a riot?

Explain it to me ... and please feel free to go into considerable detail, I can follow the business model you have studied to draw such a conclusion.

The Old (former radio station owner) Fogducker

[. ._]

I just mean that if all they do is show the guys smashing windows, people will tune in. More viewers=more ad revenue.

If they have a bunch of academics, reporters, NGO people sitting around a table having a good discussion about what was and wasn't accomplished at the actual meeting, people would get bored with it and tune into something more violent.

So it's quicker to just have some guy with a camera on Queen street then arranging travel or satellite hook up for a leading economist or former finance minister or someone like that to inform the public of what was going on inside the fence. What are the leaders' options? Is the monetary system even working? Should we re-think the notion of debt?

There were 10,000 people demonstrating there, and about 500 were actually causing trouble. What were the other peoples' issues? I didn't hear much on that. That takes too much time for commercial TV.

I guess I'm a minority when it comes to this stuff. I like content. I like tits and violence too, don't get me wrong, but when a bunch of powerful people sit in a room to determine my future, I'd like to know what they're saying at least. I'll take the tits and violence when I get tired of thinking about the important stuff.

I think the media ignored most of what was going on inside the fence and outside the fence. Vandals were just a small part of that summit, but they got they got the most air time.

The media could even broadcast free youtube stuff. It doesn't get cheaper than that for production costs.

I'm a dreamer. I'd like to think that humanity can evolve from our monkey ways, and I don't think media focusing on our animalistic tendencies helps this evolution.

But to get back to the nuts and bolts of running a media outlet, I'm not an expert. Maybe you could correct my thinking on this. I'm always open to learning new stuff.

[bmc]

ISTP...depends on the target audience. If it's MSNBC, they'll have the round table with discussions of the economic impact on the market, followed by monied adverts. If it's MTV, they show the violence and break away to give a breaking story on Britney Spears, followed by Red Bull and Tampax advertising.