Catastrophic engine failure... have you ever had one?

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Catastrophic engine failure... have you ever had one?

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Hi folks!

I was wondering how many of you have had the catastrophic engine failure. You know. You're flying along happy as a clam, then BAM! You blow a jug, there's oil on the windshield, you notice fire coming out of the nacelle. Something like that.

Specifically, were you as fast as you thought you should be about dealing with it? Did you first say, "HOLY SHIT!" then deal with the problem? How long did it take you to deal with it? Did all of those memory items you practiced instantly kick in and you didn't even have to think about it? Did you freeze and the PIC or F/O had to pick up the slack?

Let's hear some tales of daring do! (or daring OOPS!)

Ya never know. Someone might learn something here.

I'd like to learn from YOUR mistakes, not mine!

Thanks in advance.

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Yup, cracked crankcase.

Went as trained, but almost flew over the airport we were diverting too. Hard to see on those clear blue days!
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It is extremely unusual for a perfectly functioning light plane engine to just go bang with no warning (big radials are another story though....).

I have had 3 engine failures in light aircraft and all gave some warning

1) C 150: We were climbing out on a flight to the practice area when I noticed the oil pressure was a solid needle width below the white line in the middle of the green arc of those horrible cessna no numbers oil pressure guage. This was significant because on every other flight in this airplane the I had observed the oil pressure guage sitting exactly on the white line. I told the student to turn back to the airport. In the 3 minutes or so it took to get back to the runway the oil pressure slowly dropped to zero by the time we were on short final, so I shut everything down and we made an uneverntfull landing. It turned out the oil pump drive had failed. I got a very valuable piece of advice from an old timer early in my flying career. He said he never wanted me to say an engine guage was " in the green" he wanted me to give the instrument value because the tend in the guage was a very important indicator of impending trouble. In this case it saved me from a certain of off airfield landing as if I had waited untill the oil pressure dropped to below the green arc I never would have made it back to the airport.

2) PA31: Turbocharger and wasteagte failure. The aircraft suffered a catastrophic turbo failure which also caused the waste gate to fail in the fully closed position on the shuttle climb out of Tofino. The engine did not stop, but would not generate very much thrust. The choice was 100 miles over the rocks or a single engine NDB circle to land to minimums. The FO and I discussed the options and chose the landing which worked out fine. As it turned out 2 other pilots had added a total of 4 litres of oil to that engine in the previous 6 hrs :shock:. They did not think this fact was worth reporting to maintainance :evil: This failure was 100% preventable as the engine gave fair warning but the previous pilots were to stupid to notice.

3) Twin Commanche: Just as I had gotten established on the GS on an ILS approach the left engine ran down. Since the aircraft was stable on the appraoch I just feathered the engine rather then trying to figure out why it had failed, and continued the approach to an uneventfull landing. After landing it turned out the left main fuel tank as dry. When I had taken off the mains were at 1/4 and the aux tanks were full. As soon as I leveled off I switched to the aux tanks and remembered that the fuel selector felt "odd" . When I did my descent checks at the destination and swiched back to the mains and was surprised that the left aux fuel guage stilled showed full but ignored it because the left main stilled showed 1/4. It turned out the selector mechanism cabling had failed and the left side never switched to the aux tank. The engine stopped when the tank ran dry, although the gauge stilled showed the same 1/4 full as it had indicated at takeoff. In retrospect there were signs something was wrong yet I did not clue in. There was plenty of fuel on the right side so I could have kept the engine running with crossfeed. Again a preventable engine failure with pre failure warning signs

So ISTP sorry I could not provide stirring tales of pilot Derring Do..... but I hope I gave folks something to think about
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4 - Wright 1820, seized solid; P&W R1830, jug through the cowling and resultant fire; Lycoming TIO-540 - baked turbo, welded engine cables, unable to close throttle; Wright 1820, sudden drop of oil pressure, master rod failure.

All handled in a cool professional manner :mrgreen:
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:shock: How did you land them, guys?
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Gogona wrote::shock: How did you land them, guys?
After reducing power and flaring :wink:
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Complete failure of JT8D-15 the guts went right out the back on number 2 engine. left a great number of pieces on the runway.
Canceled the fire bell ran the drill, then landed and it was beer call. No messed shorts just a bunch of happy folks,
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Flying down the cost at night in a 108, engine rpm surged from 200rpm to 1500 and back (oil pressure was slightly low right after the surge, normally this planes pressure it always dead on), would not make enough power to maintain altitude. Barely found a 3k runway due to dim runway lights, flew best glide directly to a final at which point my oil pressure dropped to 0.
Kept the plane high until the last minute then slipped her in to a 2pt and shut her down.

Turned out a valve seized hard enough to cause the push rod to bend, rupturing the push rod tube (infact the cover tube was GONE). The plane lost 7 of the 8qts of oil, which was being ingested into the induction system.

It took half a second to realize something was wrong, at which point the first thing that I thought and probably said was "where am I going to put this plane"

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Turned out a valve seized hard enough to cause the push rod to bend
Let me guess: sticking exhaust valve due to carbon on the valve stem and lead deposits in the guide? Welcome to my world. See Lyc SI 1425A.

It's best not to let them get this bad. See wobble test SI.

Most of us, running less than 30 inches MP, don't need as much lead as we get in 100LL.
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Yup. DHC2 in 2008. Ive shared some of my story in a previous thread but long story short.. Fuel pressure warning light at approx 350 ft. Changed tanks, wobbled like my life depended on it (and it did) and nothing. Secured my engine. Considered the "impossible turn" and Hedleys words rang in my head..it can be done, but not by you..I agreed and drove it in the trees straight ahead. 22 broken bones, end of my career but survived.

It was a bad day at the office. TSB determined it was fuel starvation. Still have NO idea how that was possible???? But all 3 tanks were dry as a bone.

As I`ve said before.. NEVER rely on fuel guages in the bush. Make sure you KNOW what you have. Even if three people assure you its full, and your guages agree with those 3 people (AMO owner, AME and owner/pilot).. Still see if it will take 5 gals in the front tank and CONFIRM what they told you and your guages told you. Complacency can be an ugly b*tch!

Know your load! Fuel and otherwise.
FYI..Im no high timer but I have over 4300 TT 1500 DHC2 (3 yrs on west coast on a -2)

It happened to me, it can happen to anyone. Ouch!
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How about that Seneca Bonanza that made the textbook forced approach in the U.S. after the engine went all coocoo-bananas?

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=45984&start=75

Did they ever publish what the root cause of this "event" was?
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Well, I had a snowblower thow a rod last winter. Had to finish the driveway with a shovel.

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Three failures: First one Gypsy blew a jug on take-off at about 400'; did the Hedley turn and landed. Replaced the jug and flew home.

Engine stoppage for unknown reasons at low level in a climbing turn...stall/spin/bang/fire...got lucky. Another Gypsy!

Test flying a DH60M after 7 year re-build. Turning base I reduced the throttle and the damned Gypsy quit cold. Wrong idle jet in the carb...landed on the grass beside the taxiway without any damage. Again another Gypsy.

Those bloody Brit engines should only be used as boat anchors!
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Only had 1 thus far. I was the First Officer on the flight.

On takeoff out of a BEAUTIFUL northern manitoba destination (I'm sure that doesn't narrow it down, as they are all Beautiful), the oil pressure light came on somewhere north of 90kts. I looked down to see the gauge bounce off the bottom stop, and up to see the EGT stop at 1000 (T/O power was in the 560ish range). Made the inital call of the oil pressure, and the Capt responded with "Continuing". We did the drill, had the prop stopped through a couple hundred feet, and she climbed out at almost 1000ft/min (we only had 3 ppl on board). The drill went exactly as trained, with the exception of shakey fingers pointing at the switches. Came back around and landed. Go figure, best landing either of us had was his single engine landing. After that it was phone call time, and then hurry up and wait for the rescue flight.

No explosions, or parts trailing out the back, but when I talked to the Turbine shop guys after the fact, they classified it as a "catastrophic failure". Apparently the (from the mechanics) the torque transducer was shedding metal on to the oil scavange pump drive shaft which ended up shearing, and thus, no oil pressure. It was on a Garrett, and given the speed those things spin at, I was quite supprised at how good it was running even with no oil.

Did a walk down the runway after the fact, and NEVER found any oil on the runway, and the mechanic that showed up with the rescue flight, poured a case of oil into the engine and it still wouldn't show above the oil screen. Not sure where it all went.

It was the coolest thing I never want to have to do again....

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Old Dog Flying wrote:Three failures: First one Gypsy blew a jug on take-off at about 400'; did the Hedley turn and landed. Replaced the jug and flew home.

Engine stoppage for unknown reasons at low level in a climbing turn...stall/spin/bang/fire...got lucky. Another Gypsy!

Test flying a DH60M after 7 year re-build. Turning base I reduced the throttle and the damned Gypsy quit cold. Wrong idle jet in the carb...landed on the grass beside the taxiway without any damage. Again another Gypsy.

Those bloody Brit engines should only be used as boat anchors!
Yep, those Gypsy's will never last. :mrgreen:
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Yup,

Taking off in my Cherokee after having it painted, my engine quits 50-100 feet off the ground ...

Luckily, I had backtracked completely, and had enough runway remaining.

Push forward, best glide, land.

Skipped any other procedure that I might've otherwise performed had I had extended gliding time ahead of me.

Turns out my fuel gascolator seal was bad, and when compounded with some vibrations, I ended up with fuel starvation. This is also why there was nothing to notice during run-up. I needed the combination of max fuel pressure (take off RPM + boost pump) and the vibrations associated.

Overall, I think I reacted quite well, the landing was quite nice all things considered.

I landed, had the shop look at it and fix it fairly quickly ...

The only moment where I was really worried was actually at my second take-off!
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My big event was a turbine bearing failure ate 600 feet after takeoff on a near max gross weight B-707. This occurred 29 years into my career, and I had about 8,000 hours in type.
It was the number three engine (out of four) on an old and bent airplane.

The lesson I got from it was that the engine-out performance you expect based on the charts will not quite be there. I could not hold V2 and altitude until nearly 10,000 pounds of fuel had been dumped into the ocean we departed over. That data was built when the airplane was new and was flown by test pilots.

When it happens to you, your training will come back and serve you well, even if you weren't paying much attention at the time.
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Flying into Savu Savu Airport Fiji Islands. On approach realized # 1 engine on My DHC6 would not reduce to Idle. As I pulled the Pwr levs back to 10 PSI the plane yawed right. FO calls rt engine failure!!!! Hmmmm. We did have a malfunction so climb pwr was applied and we flew the missed climbing to 3500 and hold to SE. To pant a picture of Savu Savu ... Its a St Barts type rwy I'll post a video later. Long story short In the hold it was decided to Shut down the # 1 engine and land single at the Sav. The problem # 1 engine would not retard past 26 PSI. A little hot for approach and landing. We landed as trained and briefed in Savu .

Finding: A fuel line breather hose replaced upside down :shock: ... Backed up against the FCU.

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PA-46 over Vermont @ 16,000 decides to burn a hole through a piston and pump all 12 quarts of oil out. It got real quiet on no engine. VFR thankfully. Glided 26 miles to an airport after declaring an emergency. This was before GPS, so ATC gave me a compass steer. Runway was straight ahead. Had to side slip it to get it down. Kicked 'er straight and as it turned out it was a National Guard airport with superb firefighting, though I did not need their services, but there was a high speed taxiway up ahead so I ended up coasting right up to the FBO. Bob Hoover style. 3 pax's in the back. Everybody had a drink that night.

FA-20 max gross weight out of YWG, night, VFR, got the gear up, and number 2 rolls back and quits. Did the drill, no re-lite. Turns out the engine driven fuel pump ate itself. Spent that Thanksgiving weekend with Les from Sask in Winnepeg while maintenance did their thing.

2 bird strikes on 2 different jets right at rotation caused me to cage them and return. Turns out both of those the engine were pouched due to the damage. $$$

Gear problems galour. But I digress. 15k hours and still counting.
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