Ok, one more thing before I get back into that big alluminum tube we call an office....
Someone came by our head office a while back and approached the receptionist with a nice large combination pizza. The delivery was of course for the DFO and he was allowed in to deliver it. (still not sure what the receptionsit was thinking?!)
So he got to see the DFO but unfortunately we weren't hiring at the time. They had a good conversation......and some pizza.
The point here is this..... unless you have some good time under your belt or you happen to "know" somebody, you've got to find a way to stick out from the crowd. You wouldn't believe the pile of resumes we get. It easily triples if there's any sort of a rumour that we are hiring!
My advice, pick one or two companies and drop in a couple times a month and get noticed. Don't be an anoying prick by any means of course. Keep a smile on your face and ask them what's new at the company. Believe it or not but the receptionist will take notice if your nice and stop by 3 or 4 times a month.....Tim Horton's wouldn't hurt either!
Landing that first job....
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i agree
FA28 guy Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:43 am Post subject:
Don't forget be nice you never know who your talking to. In some place the boss likes to get his hands dirty.
absolutely ! you never know... i think the saying is something like?
"Be careful of the toes you step on today, because they may be connected to the a$$ you have to kiss tomorrow."
But really though, you just never know who you're talking to, i was out west visiting companies and looking for work. started talking to people at the fbo, didn't know until visiting the nwt a few days later, that my conversation down south at the fbo, i was actually talking to the cp of another company that i visited up north.
Don't forget be nice you never know who your talking to. In some place the boss likes to get his hands dirty.
absolutely ! you never know... i think the saying is something like?
"Be careful of the toes you step on today, because they may be connected to the a$$ you have to kiss tomorrow."
But really though, you just never know who you're talking to, i was out west visiting companies and looking for work. started talking to people at the fbo, didn't know until visiting the nwt a few days later, that my conversation down south at the fbo, i was actually talking to the cp of another company that i visited up north.
I must admit that companies are also innovative.
Back in the day when I was traveling around the country (1 of many road trips) a company called 'Traveling Trapper' (name altered to protect the asswipes who created the company culture with regards to treating new pilots like shower tile grime.) sent down the janitor to pick up our resumes from the gate.
I guess this keeps the persons responsible from breaking a sweat from being professional. I asked the gentilemen who he was and he replied accordingly, also adding that this is how they normally do buisness. However...even this humble man knew it was wrong and felt embarrased. I took back my resume and left.
Now that I am in a position where pilots looking for work come to our door...we will see everyone and will take every call.
My best experience with dealing with a CP was with a person that worked for a Quebec company. He died while flying a Metro at Mirabel back in 1998. This man would always return calls to a pilot even with only 300 hours. A class act and a true professional that apparently did not forget his humble beginnings.
Back in the day when I was traveling around the country (1 of many road trips) a company called 'Traveling Trapper' (name altered to protect the asswipes who created the company culture with regards to treating new pilots like shower tile grime.) sent down the janitor to pick up our resumes from the gate.
I guess this keeps the persons responsible from breaking a sweat from being professional. I asked the gentilemen who he was and he replied accordingly, also adding that this is how they normally do buisness. However...even this humble man knew it was wrong and felt embarrased. I took back my resume and left.
Now that I am in a position where pilots looking for work come to our door...we will see everyone and will take every call.
My best experience with dealing with a CP was with a person that worked for a Quebec company. He died while flying a Metro at Mirabel back in 1998. This man would always return calls to a pilot even with only 300 hours. A class act and a true professional that apparently did not forget his humble beginnings.
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Birddog,
It is always very professional, IMHO, and reflects well on a company when just some basic courtesies are shown to applicants. I think that most people are smart enough to realize that there are more people looking than spaces, and the timing may not be right. Searching for a job, especially after having lost one is a humbling, sometimes humiliating experience. Basic manners, like what you are talking about, returns to a guy/gal on a job hunt some dignity. So good on you.
Now, many years later I find myself patronizing places that treated me with humanity even though the answer was still a "no." What goes around, comes around. The seeds for the harvest of tomorrow are strewn today.
It is always very professional, IMHO, and reflects well on a company when just some basic courtesies are shown to applicants. I think that most people are smart enough to realize that there are more people looking than spaces, and the timing may not be right. Searching for a job, especially after having lost one is a humbling, sometimes humiliating experience. Basic manners, like what you are talking about, returns to a guy/gal on a job hunt some dignity. So good on you.
Now, many years later I find myself patronizing places that treated me with humanity even though the answer was still a "no." What goes around, comes around. The seeds for the harvest of tomorrow are strewn today.
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I have had chief pilots take fifteen minutes to give me a tour of their aircraft and hangers. I have had a chief pilot tell me on the phone that he would delay his lunch a half an hour in order to see me when i got into town rather than making me wait a couple hours. Course i took him to lunch instead but still. I have had chief pilots who were too busy to see me still take 2 minutes to take my resumé and thank me for stopping by.
I have also met persons who are too important to take thirty seconds to shake your hand when you are standing right in front of them. Like you said birddog i took my resumé and put it back in my case. If you work for people who do not respect you it will bite you in the ass every day until you quit.
I have also met persons who are too important to take thirty seconds to shake your hand when you are standing right in front of them. Like you said birddog i took my resumé and put it back in my case. If you work for people who do not respect you it will bite you in the ass every day until you quit.
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There's no substitute for courtesy; I wandered into one company on a road trip last year, wasn't even looking for them, just couldn't find the one on my list. The CP was planning for a trip but still took 15 minutes out of his day to talk to me.
It's a two way street, he saw that I was willing to drive hundreds of miles looking for a job and I saw a decent guy I wouldn't mind working for.
It's a two way street, he saw that I was willing to drive hundreds of miles looking for a job and I saw a decent guy I wouldn't mind working for.
Hey guys, I need your opinoin. I know a guy that desperatley needs a practical joke played upon him,,, so !!!!!!!!
An advertisment at various flying clubs etc,etc.
Pilots Required,
A new startup airline requires flight crews.
This is an entry level job. Only local pilots considered.
We require Captains, First Officers and Cruise Relief Pilots.
Minimum requirements are Commercial Pilot Licence. Mulit IFR and valid passport
Will train on type @ Flight Safety.
Captains can expect to earn $60,000, F/O's $45,000, CRP's $35,000
APPLY IN PERSON to Captain Upchuck. @ XXXX airlines
(give address and phone.) No appointment necessary.
Your opinion, please, Do you think stating that it is a start up airline is too much?
An advertisment at various flying clubs etc,etc.
Pilots Required,
A new startup airline requires flight crews.
This is an entry level job. Only local pilots considered.
We require Captains, First Officers and Cruise Relief Pilots.
Minimum requirements are Commercial Pilot Licence. Mulit IFR and valid passport
Will train on type @ Flight Safety.
Captains can expect to earn $60,000, F/O's $45,000, CRP's $35,000
APPLY IN PERSON to Captain Upchuck. @ XXXX airlines
(give address and phone.) No appointment necessary.
Your opinion, please, Do you think stating that it is a start up airline is too much?
The average pilot, despite the somewhat swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
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Coolest CP I ever came across while road tripping was in southern AB. He wasn't hiring, but invited me to come along on the day's sched up north and bought me lunch while I was there. I have a thick skull and don't give up easily, so my resolve would have remained strong anyway, but he definitely helped keep my spirits up. To top it off, he saved me the drive up to that city to hand in a few other resumes.
WTF?!?! was he a good kisser!!!co-joe wrote:Coolest CP I ever came across while road tripping was in southern AB. He wasn't hiring, but invited me to come along on the day's sched up north and bought me lunch while I was there. I have a thick skull and don't give up easily, so my resolve would have remained strong anyway, but he definitely helped keep my spirits up. To top it off, he saved me the drive up to that city to hand in a few other resumes.
Just kidding
On my very first road trip, drove 10hrs north, took the train for another 6hrs, due to the lack of roads. First company i was hitting, met with the CP in the parking lot, talked as we walked to the hangar (30sec), no good morning, no smile, just... " im not hiring, if i was i would want 2,500hrs, 500hrs on type, for F/O"... all he's got is 3 piston airplanes. For a second i thought i drove all the way to the Emirates to apply for airbus jobs, then i was quickly reminded this wasn't Dubai but northern Canada. He had taken my resume, when we got at the door, he folded it into a million pieces and put it in his pocket. I politely asked for it back, and made my way to the next lucky bastard.
