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Have any of you reflected on why our collective public leadership, almost everywhere now, and on both sides of the spectrum, are so abysmally weak?

It goes directly to this topic, not that its that bad in itself addressing this, but this eradication of the wrong form of language is THE major focus now.

All while we have titanic problems developing as we speak. Colossal problems.

It scares me where we are headed. Its a huge thread drift so I’ll stop there.
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rookiepilot wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:29 pm Have any of you reflected on why our collective public leadership, almost everywhere now, and on both sides of the spectrum, are so abysmally weak?
There are a few strong leaders around now: Xi, Putin, Kadyrov, Orban, to name a few. And there are some strong leaders past that come to mind from the history of the 20th century. None of them were fussed by "wrong" forms of language - in fact they embraced it, and embrace it still.

Perhaps weak leaders are just what we need.
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Please spare me.....
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rookiepilot wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:29 pm

It scares me where we are headed. Its a huge thread drift so I’ll stop there.
It's called a slow motion socialist revolution. Protect yourself while you can. There is still time.

A lot of people will embrace it, until they discover how foolish they were.
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rookiepilot wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:29 pm Have any of you reflected on why our collective public leadership, almost everywhere now, and on both sides of the spectrum, are so abysmally weak?

It goes directly to this topic, not that its that bad in itself addressing this, but this eradication of the wrong form of language is THE major focus now.

All while we have titanic problems developing as we speak. Colossal problems.

It scares me where we are headed. Its a huge thread drift so I’ll stop there.
How is this even remotely related to banning a nickname/call sign?

Is it a sign of strength to be saved by the Asswipe of Ottawa or the Pisspot of Calgary vs the Ghost of Kiev?


This is not about the wrong form of language, this is about representation of the Canadian forces abroad and domestically.
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All I want to know is what the call signs were so I can know whether to laugh or be offended.
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digits_ wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:51 pm

This is not about the wrong form of language, this is about representation of the Canadian forces abroad and domestically.
By…who?

https://globalnews.ca/news/9154586/cana ... -recruits/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wayne- ... -1.6617951
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Times change.

Would this be an acceptable callsign today? It was fine for Wing Commander GIbson's dog, in 1944:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
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photofly wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:21 pm Times change.

Would this be an acceptable callsign today? It was fine for Wing Commander GIbson's dog, in 1944:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
This term that you have posted is used by a significant amount of people from a certain community on a regular basis. They appear to have normalized the word. So apparently, it is acceptable as no one seems to have an issue with it in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCEjVC3Dtn8

But remember.....we are the racists.
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DanWEC wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:11 pm Your callsign is something embarassing and sticks. It's tradition.

Either way, it's just terrific that our military officers can be defeated by feelings. They're supposed to be a special type of person that can do a job not many people can, in an regime that involves a unique skillset in order to keep the rest of us protected. The things that apply to your average citizen aren't supposed to apply to the military. That's the entire point. If they do, it doesn't work. Can't call HR because you're being shot at.
Agreed...to a point. However, within an organization that is suffering from numerous sexual harassment/assault complaints and charges, allowing a woman to be nicknamed 'Guns', in mocking reference to her chest size, seems to be inviting just the trouble that the Military is trying to avoid.
From the story:
Specifically, military police have accused the two officers of having failed to enforce the military's orders when it comes to preventing and addressing sexual misconduct.
It should be easy enough to come up with a callsign/nickname that is somewhat edgy yet won't run into outright harassment, no?
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I would like to also point out the interesting evolution where you can now expect people to call you by your desired pronouns yet you have to accept they will change the name they use to refer to you.
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In lieu of the callsign actually being known, I’m going to guess it was probably something like Pedo.
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DanWEC wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:11 pm Your callsign is something embarassing and sticks. It's tradition.
Why would a person expect another to be embarrassed about their chest size? Or - in the case of "Chocolate" - the colour of their skin? Being dark skinned is something to be ashamed of?
lownslow wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:14 am In lieu of the callsign actually being known, I’m going to guess it was probably something like Pedo.
Are there any posters from the more conservative wing wing who want to take a shot at justifying that as a callsign, in 2022?
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photofly wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:21 pmWould this be an acceptable callsign today? It was fine for Wing Commander GIbson's dog, in 1944:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
And yet M*A*S*H episodes run on repeats regularly featuring the black character "Spearchucker Jones." I'm amazed they're still allowed to broadcast those episodes.
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^ 'cos if they were to cancel it - and state the reason why - there would be conniptions about 'erasing history' , 'cancel culture' and 'wokeism' from certain sectors of society...
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photofly wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:21 pm Times change.

Would this be an acceptable callsign today? It was fine for Wing Commander GIbson's dog, in 1944:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
It's never ok to say the n-word.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lloyd- ... n-academia
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photofly wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:21 pm Times change.

Would this be an acceptable callsign today? It was fine for Wing Commander GIbson's dog, in 1944:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
It still is if you're with the right crew from Philly or Compton.
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Members of the military 2SLGBTQI (Two Spirit/Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender/Queer/Intersex) consulted by this newspaper recommended details of the call sign be published to show the abuse they still had to deal with.
That list just keeps growing and growing with every article published! We should change it to 'ABH' (Anything But Hetero) to keep it manageable.
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photofly wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:28 am
DanWEC wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:11 pm Your callsign is something embarassing and sticks. It's tradition.
Why would a person expect another to be embarrassed about their chest size? Or - in the case of "Chocolate" - the colour of their skin? Being dark skinned is something to be ashamed of?
lownslow wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:14 am In lieu of the callsign actually being known, I’m going to guess it was probably something like Pedo.
Are there any posters from the more conservative wing wing who want to take a shot at justifying that as a callsign, in 2022?
A callsign is a mark of acceptance. It says, ‘We see your imperfections, we don’t care about them, we think you’re strong enough to let this crap roll off your back and you’re one of us now.’ These concepts are tacitly understood by pretty much everyone on the inside and completely incomprehensible to anyone on the outside.
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