Serious Questions Regarding re-instatement

[YWGGuy]

Here are my questions,

Having been out of the flight deck since 2003 and 2005 it would be fair to assume that they would be rather rusty. Are they going to be sent into a new-hire course? In my opinion they should be ONLY giving the same opportunity than any other pilot is given - I believe they can fail 2 rides and they are done, please correct me if I am wrong.

Have either one kept their IFR current? Could they legally be employed as a pilot currently? Because it has been so long have their IFR lapsed? Will they need to do their INRATs?

What will happen if they can not renew their IFR? Who is going to pay for that AC or the pilots themselves?

All questions that I want informative answers to, not trying to stir the pot - just curious.

[North Shore]

I can't speak for Air Canada, but as a 'reasonable' outside observer, I think that it would be fair to start them off with a new-hire course, and new aeroplane course - to give them every reasonable chance at being reinstated at their jobs. You'd think that they would have kept their ATPLs valid over this time, seeing as there was a court case pending; if not, it's back to the books for that, too - and on the company's nickel.

I think that all of the retraining should be on the company's time and money, as they were the ones who were doing the discriminating based on age.

[ahramin]

It wasn't the company doing the discrimination, it was the agreement between the company and the union that discriminated.

[Deerinheadlights]

All the fighting in the world to stop the increase in retirement age so people can enjoy their life's a little before they kick the bucket and these two want to screw it up.I should have figured it would be pilots!(always thinking of themselves first) This scares me a little.Two 70 yr olds in a locked room with 400 peoples lives in their hands makes me want to take the Train or Bus.

And I am being serious!

All this tells me is that a collective agreement means nothing.

[Thirteentennorth]

...Two 70 yr olds in a locked room with 400 peoples lives in their hands makes me want to take the Train or Bus.

2 70 yr olds in a flight deck ain't gonna happen. Maybe 1, but the guy in the left seat has to be under 65. ICAO rules. But then again, what do I know! In Kanuckistan anything's possible.

[yycflyguy]

Here are my questions,

Having been out of the flight deck since 2003 and 2005 it would be fair to assume that they would be rather rusty. Are they going to be sent into a new-hire course? In my opinion they should be ONLY giving the same opportunity than any other pilot is given - I believe they can fail 2 rides and they are done, please correct me if I am wrong.

Have either one kept their IFR current? Could they legally be employed as a pilot currently? Because it has been so long have their IFR lapsed? Will they need to do their INRATs?

What will happen if they can not renew their IFR? Who is going to pay for that AC or the pilots themselves?

All questions that I want informative answers to, not trying to stir the pot - just curious.

YWGGUY.

The answers to your questions are in the CHRT Remedy Ruling? thread. The information and debate in that thread (from page 8 and on) is better presented than I could explain but in a nutshell:

Yes, they will be required to sit in a PIT (Pilot Indoctrination Course) refresher that focuses on the FOM. It has been rumoured that they both have valid IFR tickets (I think Kelly had to re-write his exams as the IFR had lapsed). They start the training process on the 15th (anyone here going to be on the PIT course with these infamous icons?) then do the type training immediately following the 2 week PIT. They potentially could be back on the line by mid January, and then re-retire by February.

[YWGGuy]

I believe I already know the answer to this question, however I hope I am wrong...

If they leave right after getting back on the airplane (for a moral victory) will they face any penalties?

[Raymond Hall]

If they leave right after getting back on the airplane (for a moral victory) will they face any penalties?

Their employment is being reinstated exactly in accordance with provisions set out in the Tribunal order. The order did not contain any provision concerning their eventual retirement, including any minimum notice period. However, neither has any intention of doing what you are suggesting.

The latest plan is that both will be reporting to YYZ for a three-day procedures training program starting Wednesday, November 17th, following which they will commence aircraft ground school training for the position of First Officer on the B777. George Vilven will be based in YVR. Neil Kelly will be based in YYZ. Subject to simulator training scheduling, they could be finished line indoc in January.

[TyrellCorp]

will they face any penalties?

I'm sure it's nothing a big fat wallet can't easily handle. Ching ching! Ching ching!