Air Canada Jazz 757 Incident

[BLZD1]

DATE: 17.12.2010 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: in Bahamas Airspace COUNTRY: Bahamas
AIRLINE: Air Canada Jazz TYPE: Boeing 757-200 REGISTRATION: - C/N: - AGE: -
OPERATION: INP FLIGHT No.: QK 3023 FROM: Punta Cana TO: Toronto VIA: -
OCCUPANTS: PAX: - CREW: -
FATALITIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
The Boeing 757 safely diverted to Nassau Intl Airport (Bahamas) after the pilots observed cracks in the windshield during cruiseflight about 300 miles north of Nassau at 36000 feet. According to pilot´s statements, an arcing effect was observed on the 1st officers (right) window after the first crack, This was followed by a "bang" resulting in a shattered windshield. However, the landing was safe.

This is bad press for AC considering AC does not operate a 757. Where is TC's name? This is why the ACPA guys are pissed!

[Inverted2]

I think you better call your rep and file another grievence. I thought we weren't allowed to fly big pretty jets. And shame on the crew for doing a good job and getting the plane back in one piece.

[PC12flyer]

This is an unfortunate mistake, but one that will likely be repeated many times in the media and aviation circles. Jazz wears many hats, eg read trade names, Jazz Air, Air Canada Jazz and Thomas Cook Canada. We are still best known as Air Canada Jazz and unfortunately until the world accepts us as just Jazz Air LP and realises we're actually seperate this mistaken identity thing will keep happening. I can say with certainty that no one at Jazz wishes to bring bad press to our friends at Air Canada. Hopefully this incident doesn't bring you AC guys too much grief. Nice to see though that no one was hurt in this incident, good job by the crew to get it down safely.

Cheers guys!

[BLZD1]

I am not saying these guys did not do a great job handling this incident. AC probably looses a couple of windshields per year in flight. I am saying AC's name should have nothing to do with TC. AC is good at creating its own media problems. I do not think Westjet would like seeing their name attached to and incident that happen to TC.

[Localizer]

I don't see the "bad press" part of this thread? .. Airplanes have issues that arise and return to airports everyday. An example of "bad press" would incorporate destruction, injury or death and having another companies name attached .. not a minor windscreen failure with successful return.

Jazz has been called "Air Canada Jazz" for a long time .. as far as the traveling public are concerned we're the same company, fact. Its going to take a long time and a lot of advertising to change that mind set.

[flyinhigh]

DATE: 17.12.2010 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: in Bahamas Airspace COUNTRY: Bahamas
AIRLINE: Air Canada Jazz TYPE: Boeing 757-200 REGISTRATION: - C/N: - AGE: -
OPERATION: INP FLIGHT No.: QK 3023 FROM: Punta Cana TO: Toronto VIA: -
OCCUPANTS: PAX: - CREW: -
FATALITIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES: PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
The Boeing 757 safely diverted to Nassau Intl Airport (Bahamas) after the pilots observed cracks in the windshield during cruiseflight about 300 miles north of Nassau at 36000 feet. According to pilot´s statements, an arcing effect was observed on the 1st officers (right) window after the first crack, This was followed by a "bang" resulting in a shattered windshield. However, the landing was safe.

This is bad press for AC considering AC does not operate a 757. Where is TC's name? This is why the ACPA guys are pissed!

First I would like to thank you for the crews concern.

Second- this is NOT why ACPA is pissed, if that was the case we could have worked something out. I believe your grievence was something to do with the SJA, NOT compamy names. You are pissed because we are making ourselves bigger and a better company and you don't want us to have these planes.

Now the unfortunate part about this is yes, your name is there but guess what. YOU made us, now that we are as big as we are and getting bigger you want nothing to do with us. ACPA would be estatic if we just folded up.

Jazz has been called "Air Canada Jazz" for a long time .. as far as the traveling public are concerned we're the same company, fact. Its going to take a long time and a lot of advertising to change that mind set.

Your absolutly right, the only problem is, due to the CPA we can't advertise anything so the traveling public will NEVER know the difference.

[teacher]

This is bad press for AC considering AC does not operate a 757. Where is TC's name? This is why the ACPA guys are pissed!

SOME of you guys get funnier everytime you type or speak. Here's a straw, care to grasp at it?

[MackTheKnife]

How is this bad press?

99.9999999 % of the public will never see this. It's not like it was front page news for gawds sake.

The occasional pilot might but they know the difference to begin with. This post will probably cause more stir than the actual incident so stop creating a problem where there isn't one.

MTK

[bombardierfixer]

Why are people loosing their minds over a windshield overheating? Something happened to the window heat (almost sounds like the WHCU). It happens, its dramatic but the windows are engineered for it.

[square]

This is bad press for AC considering AC does not operate a 757.

Sounds like a good job to me. AC would commend them if is were under the AC commuting agreement I'm sure.

[PanEuropean]

I can't imagine how anyone could ever associate Jazz and Air Canada with each other.

After all, there has never been anything published or advertised in this world to suggest that the two companies are connected in any way...

[LisaS]

That bird needs a bath.

[Stu Pidasso]

You (Jazz) are now a full on Competitor, I'm surprised AC hasn't demanded their name be removed from flights other than under the CPA?

Start singing the "Chorus."

[Inverted2]

That bird needs a bath.

That is one dirty bird!

[55+]

That bird needs a bath.

That's why you never see people with the best on when flying on airliners, I always wear my worst old jeans I have.

[one8tee]

How is Jazz the competitor?

Thomas Cook is the competition.. Jazz just happens to operate their flights.

Funny though.. probably wouldn't have happened if the AC guys agreed to one list all those years ago instead of taking their ball home because they didn't like the rules.

Maybe it's time to start the one list talks again before sky regional decides theyd like to operate the embryos for half of what the mainline guys do.. lets get the AC and Jazz guys together as a pilot group and stop the downward slide. The only winners of the current situation will be the execs and the shareholders.

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[countryhick]

I'm surprised AC hasn't demanded their name be removed from flights other than under the CPA?

You will NOT see anything "Air Canada" related pertaining to Jazz business outside of the CPA.

[whiteguy]

You (Jazz) are now a full on Competitor, I'm surprised AC hasn't demanded their name be removed from flights other than under the CPA?

Start singing the "Chorus."

The Air Canada name isn't on anything other than the flights operated under the CPA agreement.

[whipline]

How did this turn into an argument? Good job by the crew.

[BingBong]

You (Jazz) are now a full on Competitor, I'm surprised AC hasn't demanded their name be removed from flights other than under the CPA?

Start singing the "Chorus."

Do Perimeter/Keewatin/Bearskin/Calmair call themselves EIIF Aviation.....no....and btw...welcome to Av Canada

[777longhaul]

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Totally true. Should have been done along time ago! Now, more than ever, it needs to be done.

[countryhick]

Should have, but IMHO never will, its too late....

[one8tee]

It's never too late. We are too near sighted to see that the sooner we do this as a group, the better. If we had done it 12 years ago we wouldn't be worried about things like scope, sky regional or other competitors coming in to do our jobs cheaper now.

The Jazz and AC pilot groups have 5000 pilots between the two groups. There are only just over 12,000 ATPL rated pilots in the country. The sooner we all put the past behind us and come together the sooner we can all start getting the renumeration we deserve instead of letting the parent corporations keep lining their pockets with our wage cuts.

[Stu Pidasso]

You cannot merge two employee groups, from two different companies.

Air Canada and Jazz are no different than Air Canada and Westjet. There was a time, but that time has long past.

[Localizer]

Our rational and logical minds are away's 2 steps behind our greedy and egotistical thinking ...