Avro Hangar(s) in YYZ

[Sea Legs]

Does anyone know where the Avro assembly hangars are/were located on the field at YYZ?

[yyz monkey]

NE end, corner of Airport & Derry Rds.

[Sea Legs]

Thanks!

[fleet16b]

They are all gone, torn down a few years ago
I remember that when they removed the siding, they found the original AVRO crest that was painted on the bricks. Don't think it was saved either

[bizjets101]

Makes you want to cry

Movie time; Avro Arrow first flight departs Malton Airport runway '32' on March 25 1958.

Video

[CJ3PILOT]

NE end, corner of Airport & Derry Rds.

As a kid living in Oakville I can remember driving down Derry road with my parents and seeing the Arrow in the hangers when the doors were open and also the Arrow flying over Oakville with the two chase planes on each side.A real Canadian F--kup

[C-FABH]

It won't be long before the Millardair hangars are flattened, either.

[iflyforpie]

Then...



Now...

[CL-Skadoo!]

I befriended an old Air Force gentleman from that era and he swore that the reason that the whole thing was scrapped was that the Russians had infiltrated the program with spies. They had no choice but to scrap the entire thing and were pressured by the Americans to do so. He then said pointed to some of the Mig designs (23,25,27) and noted the similarities.

[2R]

The Soviet space shuttle looks very similar to the American space shuttle and yet they never cancelled the shuttle programm until its cost over runs or the Aurora has the same capabilities.
So i think there might be other reasons that the Canadians where TOLD to stop making weapon systems that might make our peaceful neighbours nervous
Most of the big important weapon systems leaks came from American controlled programms.The recent Chinese stealth fighter proves that the cousins are just as incapable of protecting secrets Now as they where when they lost Nuclear weapon secrets from Los Alamos and i will not scare the children with "what" their incompetence lost from Fort D.
Probably the reason why the Germans are not sharing their latest weapons technology with anybody including other E.U partners, especially those with a fondness for frog legs.
One of the first air forces in Europe was the Turkish air force and the next generation fighter that Germany was developing in secret may look suprisingly like the new Turkish fighter.I do hope i am wrong as present fighters have no effective counter measures against it .The brown stuff will really hit the fan if Iran buys the new secret weapons from Turkey

[iflyforpie]

I know that some might accuse me of heresy, but the Arrow was not a spectacularly advanced fighter for the time.

Especially compared to other contemporary 'might have beens' like the F-108 Rapier and the YF-12, or slightly later interceptors like the Mig-25. All of those planes were Mach 3 interceptors conceived in the late 1950s with completely unconventional metallurgy and systems design.

The Arrow, after it had been fully developed, would have been a great contemporary to the American F-4, having slightly higher top speed and thrust-to-weight ratio, but lacking a bit in maneuverability and versatility. No Arrow would have gone Mach 3 without a nearly complete redesign of the airframe.


What I will agree on, is that the Arrow was a triumph of Canadian ingenuity and one that kept us on the forefront of aviation. Maybe making wings for Douglas airliners, STOL aircraft and commuter airliners, and small turbine engines isn't as glamorous as front-line fighters, but they were certainly just as challenging. In some ways even more so given the constraints of developing commercially priced products instead of 'cost-plus-fee' military hardware.

I remember reading a story of an engineer who was let go from Orenda and went to work for United Aircraft of Canada on the then new PT6. He was absolutely amazed at the precision tolerances required on the small engine compared to the Iroquois, and how little money they had to work with.

Turned out to be the best selling turbine engine in history.

[fleet16b]

For an interesting read, go to this link
It may be the closest to the truth about the whol Arrow program.


http://www.dewit.ca/archs/avro_shaw/index.html

[Shiny Side Up]

The Arrow, after it had been fully developed, would have been a great contemporary to the American F-4, having slightly higher top speed and thrust-to-weight ratio, but lacking a bit in maneuverability and versatility. No Arrow would have gone Mach 3 without a nearly complete redesign of the airframe.

More importantly it would have performed the same as or better than the F-101 which we did buy. When one combines the costs of the short lived Bomarcs and subsequent purchace of Voodoos, development of the Arrow would have come out ahead.

[Beefitarian]

The Arrow, after it had been fully developed, would have been a great contemporary to the American F-4, having slightly higher top speed and thrust-to-weight ratio, but lacking a bit in maneuverability and versatility. No Arrow would have gone Mach 3 without a nearly complete redesign of the airframe.

More importantly it would have performed the same as or better than the F-101 which we did buy. When one combines the costs of the short lived Bomarcs and subsequent purchace of Voodoos, development of the Arrow would have come out ahead.

I can't believe they would not have continued to develop newer planes and stay at very least in line with F-18s etc. I feel confident they would have been able to stay ahead of the pack. Maybe skunk works would have still been the ultimate but I'm convinced it existed partially due to former Avro people.