Captain Requirement Question

[CFIT]

Do you need your ATPL to Captain an Metro 3 or 4(over 12,500) if your just carrying cargo, no passengers?

[SII]

yes

[mbav8r]

Do you need an atpl to Captain a 747-400 freighter
Sorry, couldn't resist

[Sulako]

Commercial license lets you be PIC on a single-pilot airplane or f/o on a multi-crew airplane.
ATPL lets you be PIC on a multi-crew airplane.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... 1-1073.htm

[yzfer]

Is the Metro 3 (SW3) technically a high performance aircraft, allowing the holder of a CPL and an appropriate rating to sit in the left seat? Not saying it's necessarily a good idea...but it could happen.

[BEFAN5]

Metro 3 is a two crew aircraft, meaning the captain needs ATPL.

Metro 2 on the other hand... Yes. A fresh 200 hour pilot can PIC that baby.

[fish4life]

its not because a metro 3 is high performance it's because it is over 12 500lbs and therefore classified as a "large" aircraft where as a metro 2 is 12 500 and under, metro 2's are still high performance hence the reason for a type rating required on them

[ahramin]

12500 means nothing fish4life. As BEFAN5 said you need an ATPL to be PIC on a multi-crew aircraft.

[ipilot54]

12500 means nothing fish4life. As BEFAN5 said you need an ATPL to be PIC on a multi-crew aircraft.

You can fly it privately with a Private Licence if you have the $$$$. That is where "owner - operators" come from.

421.40 Blanket and Individual Type Ratings

(3) Individual Type Rating Requirements

(a) Aeroplane - Two Crew

(i) Knowledge

An applicant for an individual aircraft type rating for aeroplanes with a minimum flight crew requirement of at least two pilots shall have completed a program of ground school instruction and flight training on the aeroplane type, and
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)

Private Pilot Licence - Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane

(A) in the case of the holder of a Private Pilot Licence-Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane, within the 24 months preceding the application for the first endorsement of the two crew rating, an applicant shall have obtained a minimum score of 70 percent (70%) on the Type Rating-Aeroplane (IATRA) written examination;
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

[BEFAN5]

If I had the $$$$$ - I can honestly say, the Metro would not be my first choice!

[BEFAN5]

12500 means nothing fish4life. As BEFAN5 said you need an ATPL to be PIC on a multi-crew aircraft.

I was always confused by who needed ATPL, etc. Then I came to realize, that weight and size has nothing to do with it. It is all in the crew requirements.

[yzfer]

This link here shows how many crew are required for an aircraft in Canada

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... 2-1393.htm

[ahramin]

Thanks for the link ipilot, totally forgot about that loophole for private aircraft.

[Maynard]

Not to nit pick, but never heard of a Metro 4 or a metro 3 (sw3)

Metro III - SA227AC/BC (SW4)
Metro 23- SA227 CC/DC (SW5) Both also Merlin IV's...

Metro 5, never went anywhere..... The upgraded 23 got the name from FAR part 23....

[fish4life]

actually early model metro 2's were designated merlin IV's after a certain point they were changed to the metro designation. The easiest way to tell is the Merlin IV's had round windows where as the Metro 2's and 3's had more "modern" rectangle - oval shaped windows

[High and Behind]

I was always confused by who needed ATPL, etc. Then I came to realize, that weight and size has nothing to do with it. It is all in the crew requirements.

Not always. One of the guy's who flies the Martin Mars only has a CPL, Multi, VFR licence.
And thats a 3 crew airplane. Vfr only