Transferring entries from old logbook to new

[172PIC]

I picked up one of Aviation World's professional pilot logbooks to replace my original hammond one I've used so far. The hammond one is quite a mess so I'd like to transfer all the entries to the new one. Just curious if there's anything extra I need to do other than just rewrite everything. Should I get it restamped etc.?

Also I notice in both logbooks under multi time there's Dual, PIC and Copilot, but under single engine there's only Dual and PIC. What's the difference between dual and copilot, and is there such thing as copilot on single engine?

I'm also entering everything into excel as a backup, this is going to take a while lol.

[fingersmac]

Dual = training (ie. flight training with an instructor; PCC/PPC training)

Co-pilot or SIC = line flying (providing you have a PCC/PPC and the aircraft or COM requires two-crew)

And yes, there is such thing as co-pilot on a single engine aircraft. Canadian logbook manufacturers are behind on the times and should really update their format. So in the meantime use one of the blank columns if you're logging co-pilot time on a single engine aircraft.

As far as I know there is nothing extra that you have to do when transferring entries to a new logbook. If you want to get it re-stamped, have at it but it's not necessary. My printed electronic version has no stamps in it; each page is certified by my signature.

[Chaxterium]

If you're going to go through the trouble of putting your times in an excel spreadsheet I'd recommend going the whole nine yards and get yourself an electronic log book. They're fantastic. If you're a Mac user I highly recommend LogTen Pro and if you're a PC guy I recommend Logbook Pro. They're both very good programs and once you've entered in all your times you can do a lot with the information. The nicest part about them is that you can print your log book using customizable reports so in that case there would be no need to transfer your hand written log book into another hand written log book unless of course that's what you're going for.

I still keep a hard copy of my log book but I'd never give up my LogTen Pro now. No way. It even recognizes the airports you've flown to as you're entering your flights and it can then export those airports into Google Earth and show you everywhere you've ever flown.

Anyway, best of luck!

Chax

[LuckyPilot]

Just a word of warning about electronic logbooks. I'm one of those guy's that keeps an up to date and properly certified hand entry style logbook. Most companies want to see exactly that, point and example, several years ago I interveiwed at EK. Another candidate showed up with his company time sheets signed by whomever and he was sent packing right after the meet and greet. Bottom line better show up with a proper logbook.

[Tim]

Just a word of warning about electronic logbooks. I'm one of those guy's that keeps an up to date and properly certified hand entry style logbook. Most companies want to see exactly that, point and example, several years ago I interveiwed at EK. Another candidate showed up with his company time sheets signed by whomever and he was sent packing right after the meet and greet. Bottom line better show up with a proper logbook.

what CAR are you using to determine that your logbook is 'properly certified'?

[LuckyPilot]

I understand what the CARS requirments are, and now lets talk about what you better have when you show up for an interveiw with CX, EK or any number of other airlines, AC as well. They will want to see a logbook certified and up to date and signed by your CP or some one of higher status, don't believe me, show up with out it and see how far you get. That doesn't prevent fraud, but sure gives us a starting point when someone isn't living up to expectations.

[ajet32]

I can second Lucky pilots words. In the 2nd and 3rd world stamps and signatures are very important. Especially when there are instances recently of individuals falsifying logbooks. I have 3 now 4 books with near 18k hours in them. certified by Chief Pilots along the way. Not going for EK or CX anytime soon but I can document my time. I know that the overseas operators value that for things like validations. Saves a lot of exam writing.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers

[Chaxterium]

I don't get why people seem to think you have to have one or the other. I love my electronic logbook but I still have my hand written one. I keep it up to date and get it certified regularly. I'll never stop using my hand written one but I like knowing that if something were to happen to it that I have a back up of it on my computer.

[pilotsteve]

If airlines are that picky, you can print out digital logbooks. If they're looking for hand-written logbooks they're in for a surprise when soon only the minority will have them.

[MrWings]

If they get that picky with an electronic logbook, ask them if they have a glass cockpit or steam gauges.

[172PIC]

I plan to keep both, the written logbook does seem more personal to me if anything, plus considering how important of a record it is 2 copies is a good thing. I plan on just using excel for the electronic logbook. Excel can easily do anything any of the expensive online logbooks do - using formulas and functions you can extract any info you want out of an excel sheet, and it's free. I use an online backup service for all my files so it's automatically backed up off site. Plus if I ever choose to use one of the online ones they all accept imports from excel anyways. For the paper one I'm going to transfer everything to the new one and get the flight school to stamp and certify it as of current, taking care to make the entries a lot more neat and clean than the old one.

[nimbostratus]

+1 for LogTen Pro. (Plus a handwritten version).

The End.

Nimbo

[lownslow]

I picked up one of Aviation World's professional pilot logbooks to replace my original hammond one I've used so far. The hammond one is quite a mess so I'd like to transfer all the entries to the new one. Just curious if there's anything extra I need to do other than just rewrite everything. Should I get it restamped etc.?

If it were me (and it isn't) I'd just Z off the rest of the pages in the old book. You know, where you put a line across the first and last row on each page then a big diagonal across it all to block it off? Start the new one by carrying the totals forward then call it a day.

To be fair I wouldn't be starting a new log without finishing the old one. It's a record of your training and it sounds like it shows it. Honesty is kind of cool, it has some real character. I can look through my first log book (which I finished right to the last page) and pick out my first solo at a glance, it's the one that was written in the dual column then crossed out and entered in the right place. I can find the instructor's name that I misspelled or see from my writing what kind of day I was having when I made each entry. Some days my pen died half way through the entry and you can see that I finished with a different one. It's personal and it's sort of taken on a soul of its own. I like it. Others may not.

All I'm saying is, maybe more people should appreciate their logbook for what it is.

LnS.