Wasaya

[flyinhigh]

Just curious,

Wasaya is a ALPA member yet there highering direct enter captain. What gives? ALPA is a seniority based union yet there hiring direct.

Is there that much turn over there that no FO's have enough time to up grade?

[JohnnyDrama]

Those requirements seem a bit high..

Maybe they are offering a really good salary

[mbav8r]

Just a guess, but about 5 years ago they called me and offered PC12 captain in Timmins. I declined, I told them I was looking to fly the HS748 out of Pickle Lake. Those spots were full and nobody was moving. At the time an FO would make about 80,000, flying 2 weeks a month. So, my guess is nobody internally wants the PC12 gig.

[AUGER9]

There's no one qualified that wants to go to Timmins.

[Hoov]

I have a friend looking to get in on the ground for Wasaya. Is it worth the drive to Pickle lake or is Thunderbay suffice?

[Les Habitants]

I have a friend looking to get in on the ground for Wasaya. Is it worth the drive to Pickle lake or is Thunderbay suffice?

If he wants to fly, than I would tell him to skip Wasaya. They no longer have a wananbe rampie program.

[Doc]

I have a friend looking to get in on the ground for Wasaya. Is it worth the drive to Pickle lake or is Thunderbay suffice?

If he wants to fly, than I would tell him to skip Wasaya. They no longer have a wananbe rampie program.

I think they brought the programme back. But. I'd take a pass on it anyway.

[Les Habitants]

I have a friend looking to get in on the ground for Wasaya. Is it worth the drive to Pickle lake or is Thunderbay suffice?

If he wants to fly, than I would tell him to skip Wasaya. They no longer have a wananbe rampie program.

I think they brought the programme back. But. I'd take a pass on it anyway.

oh...well in that case, I agree with you completely!

[oldncold]

1) most if not all contracts: management retains the right to hire whom they need if internal candidates are not 'readily' qualifed . the language in thecollective agreement will determine the exact length of time re job postings etc and other procedures .

2) many times we all are aware that the client big customer may have higher mins for moving their personel, which will overide the collective agreement. As it would cause 'undo financial hardship' on the company. The essense is if they didn't they wolud lose contract and then have to layoff or terminate employees for lack of work.

3) the extrenal candidate is more than qualified to assume the position with multi jet time in their background, training capt exp. It behooves one to not
prejudge with out more facts.

4) due to the singles ie caravan and pc12 it takes a long time to get pic multi in the right seat a 1900 or 748 so with the up tik in the industry hiring this spring. more than likely left that vacuum that could not have been filled in a reasonable time period.

5) the hr dept as wasaya is a very up to date >modern in proper practices The co ordinator and hr mgr both have formal education in hr mgt., in best practices, candidate came highly recommended.. and is well liked on a personal level by many in the qt area

hope that helps clarify the topic. fly safe .

[flyinhigh]

1) most if not all contracts: management retains the right to hire whom they need if internal candidates are not 'readily' qualifed . the language in thecollective agreement will determine the exact length of time re job postings etc and other procedures .

2) many times we all are aware that the client big customer may have higher mins for moving their personel, which will overide the collective agreement. As it would cause 'undo financial hardship' on the company. The essense is if they didn't they wolud lose contract and then have to layoff or terminate employees for lack of work.

3) the extrenal candidate is more than qualified to assume the position with multi jet time in their background, training capt exp. It behooves one to not
prejudge with out more facts.

4) due to the singles ie caravan and pc12 it takes a long time to get pic multi in the right seat a 1900 or 748 so with the up tik in the industry hiring this spring. more than likely left that vacuum that could not have been filled in a reasonable time period.

5) the hr dept as wasaya is a very up to date >modern in proper practices The co ordinator and hr mgr both have formal education in hr mgt., in best practices, candidate came highly recommended.. and is well liked on a personal level by many in the qt area

hope that helps clarify the topic. fly safe .

So in reality there was no position as it was already filled. Is that what you are stating? If so than why does a company actually post the position and have everyone send in there resume's.

I am actually curious here, not trying to be picky arse.

[arctic navigator]

1) most if not all contracts: management retains the right to hire whom they need if internal candidates are not 'readily' qualifed . the language in thecollective agreement will determine the exact length of time re job postings etc and other procedures .

2) many times we all are aware that the client big customer may have higher mins for moving their personel, which will overide the collective agreement. As it would cause 'undo financial hardship' on the company. The essense is if they didn't they wolud lose contract and then have to layoff or terminate employees for lack of work.

3) the extrenal candidate is more than qualified to assume the position with multi jet time in their background, training capt exp. It behooves one to not
prejudge with out more facts.

4) due to the singles ie caravan and pc12 it takes a long time to get pic multi in the right seat a 1900 or 748 so with the up tik in the industry hiring this spring. more than likely left that vacuum that could not have been filled in a reasonable time period.

5) the hr dept as wasaya is a very up to date >modern in proper practices The co ordinator and hr mgr both have formal education in hr mgt., in best practices, candidate came highly recommended.. and is well liked on a personal level by many in the qt area

hope that helps clarify the topic. fly safe .

I'm Impressed… This is one of the first posts of yours that I've been able to figure out without having to try and decipher gibberish… Whats going on? Did you figure out what spell check is or are you sucking up trying to get your old job back? Either way, keep it up...

[oldncold]

Hey arctic navigator glad to hear your still out their being your usual positive self /lol/ no not suckin' up but if that was a backhanded compliment I accept. .


to : flyin high / to answer your ? It is called capture the hr dept generally wants the largest pool of candidates to begin screening from. By posting the position both externally and internally it accomplishes that and several other things. It allows mgt. to take a look strategically at the work force and decide to eg. increase diversity ( more women , minority groups etc ). Sucession planning and a whole host of other parameters.

As my previous post stated, the collective agreement will determine the time frame before the mgt goes external.

[glorifiedtaxidriver]

It allows mgt. to take a look strategically at the work force and decide to eg. increase diversity ( more women , minority groups etc ).

I think that's the sound of a can of worms being opened.

[oldncold]

Actually glorifiedtaxi driver it is not, in fact; if you receive federal funding the federal gov't has pay equity and diversification and h.r.c. states the a company must reflect the population it serves in the work force. // one has to be an hr specialist to even begin to keep up with the shifting requirements//

getting back to the topic , the external candidate well qualifed and very capable . the end.

[Doc]

Hey arctic navigator glad to hear your still out their being your usual positive self /lol/ no not suckin' up but if that was a backhanded compliment I accept. .


to : flyin high / to answer your ? It is called capture the hr dept generally wants the largest pool of candidates to begin screening from. By posting the position both externally and internally it accomplishes that and several other things. It allows mgt. to take a look strategically at the work force and decide to eg. increase diversity ( more women , minority groups etc ). Sucession planning and a whole host of other parameters.

As my previous post stated, the collective agreement will determine the time frame before the mgt goes external.

Wow. They sure have you drinking the Kool Aid! Nothing like hiding reverse discrimination under the politically correct guise of "increase the diversity of the work force...." I'm NOT saying there's necessarily anything wrong with hiring as many women as you an find, but at least have the gonads to call a spade a spade.
And.....a "collective agreement" with no "teeth". Guys are leaving? No shit, Sherlock!

frankfrank.......here frankfrank....

[frankfrank]

No ****, Sherlock!

Can someone clean the previous post up please? I find the language offensive.

Mods?!?

[Cat Driver]

Yeh Doc is just plain offensive in his use of language.........

.......anyhow I thought I would cruise your past posts Frank and found this.

If you really want to get into it, its not our generation that is responsible for the fact that there are bonds today, it is the responsiblity of the previous generations of pilots.

It sure was not our generations either Frank. ( Doc and me )

So exactly whose generation got the bonds thing going?

Come to think of it we did not have to work as rampies either , so what happened to the industry and why is it like it is today?

[Doc]

I've never worked for a company that required any kind of bond...one does now, but they didn't while I was there.
In Wasaya's case, the bonds don't seem to be doing the "trick"....folks are still packing their bags.

frankfrank....sent you a PM.

[oldncold]

hey doc the 'kool aid' is fine but that was not the point. it was an example of what hr does to ensure the widest possible catchment of potential candidates . it was also to answer highflyer ? about why he/she sittin' there wonderin' why they didn't select him/ her with a union agreement in place.

[Les Habitants]

really???? We've fallen down as low as blaming 'generations' for the way things are??

[Doc]

hey doc the 'kool aid' is fine but that was not the point. it was an example of what hr does to ensure the widest possible catchment of potential candidates . it was also to answer highflyer ? about why he/she sittin' there wonderin' why they didn't select him/ her with a union agreement in place.

highflyer was asking why you can't upgrade, vs. hiring off the street. I'd buy the fact you don't have upgradable FO's. Your answer tries to qualify the fact you can skip over qualified WASP males by hiding behind politically correct BS. and reverse discrimination. And you know it. Why not call it like it is. You would rather hire minorities and women. As long as the minorities are those of your choosing. Reverse bigotry. Pure and simple.