@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Float Rating in Ontario

[redhawkdown]

Now that I got your attention with @s,
I'm looking for the cheapest float rating in Ontario.


Q1: Who does the float rating cheapest in Ontario?

Q2: Where can I get the list of schools that do float rating in Ontario?

Q3: Does it get cheaper as it gets close to winter?
If so, when would it be the cheapest time to do the training?

Q4: Can anyone recommend me a good float rating school? (Doesn't have to be the cheapest)
Maybe from your or your friend' experience?


I know I shouldn't be looking for the cheapest one in my training,
but I think I know what I'm getting myself into.

Thank you very much for your interest and hope to see LOTS of feedbacks

[TeePeeCreeper]

I know I shouldn't be looking for the cheapest one in my training,
but I think I know what I'm getting myself

No you don't.

Please let me know your real name so that I can ensure you never get hired on for the company I work for or have the opportunity to kill anyone I know.

Regards,
TPC

[Brewguy]

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Seriously, now that I've got your attention with all of those '@' symbols - don't be a cheap @#$!.
If you plan on learning a new skill set, find out who is the best, not who is cheapest.

[. ._]

But if you're broke and you want 7 hours of interesting flying, why not go with the cheapest?

Just by getting your hands AND FEET on the controls will help you no matter what- as long as you realize that after a basic float rating, you don't know squat about squat, and will be probably just as dangerous on water (or more) as you were after your first solo on land.

My $0.02.

-istp

[redhawkdown]

I guess you two guys went to private schools,
because from what I'm seeing here,
you guys aren't so cheap on your education and are always looking for the best.


Free simple lesson in economics guys.
Any resource is limited.

Anything I save from my rating,
I can invest on something that I'm actually going to use.
I can buy more books to have more knowledge on flying or
buy more hours of ground instruction.
I can even buy extra airline tickets for a chance to get real jobs,
which will help me to learn much more stuff.


Before you say anything from small brains of yours,
think about how TC is regulating float rating.

Why aren't there "actual" test for float rating?
Because it is not necessary.

Why does it only take 7 hours to have your rating?
Because that's all you need to "start" flying a seaplane.
(This doesn't mean that you are going to learn how to fly seaplanes perfect in just 7 hours.
It just gets you started)

I hate when people say stuff without thinking.

Everyone's priority is different and Float Rating isn't my first priority.
And I'll probably never fly a seaplane ever again.

Here are some questions for the guys who replied to my post above and I really hope I get the answers.
Who runs the best float rating school in Ontario and Why?
What is your opinion based on?
Do you have any survey or numeric value to support your opinion?
Don't tell me you think they are the best, because you went there and you liked it.

If you have guts to say anything in person,
come and see me. Leave me a reply. I'm at YYZ.


I didn't ask for their opinion on how I should choose my school,
yet they manage to write something completely irrelevant.
When are these people going to learn how to read questions and answer them properly?


Why is it so hard to just get a straight answer without the shitty talk these days?

[iflyforpie]

You want to save money on a float rating you will never use? Here's some good advice.. DON'T GET ONE!!

Then, you will have even more of your limited resource for road trips to nowhere for the job that isn't available, or the books on flying to try and make up for hours you don't have.


Some more free advice: Don't be a smart ass. If you would have come on here asking a simply question without all of your @ symbols you probably would have got a better response. However it still would have been truthful in you get what you pay for.

If somebody decides to stick you in the left seat of a 180 on a dead leg to go for a little ride... that's your job interview right there. I would want as much as I could get in those seven hours as I possibly could for what could be your only shot.

The float rating might not have a flight test... but it should!

Before you say anything from small brains of yours,
think about how TC is regulating float rating.

Why aren't there "actual" test for float rating?
Because it is not necessary.

Just make sure you don't say that to Cat Driver.

[Cat Driver]

Everyone's priority is different and Float Rating isn't my first priority.
And I'll probably never fly a seaplane ever again.

You should maybe rethink your opinions on learning to fly sea planes, but I will admit you are correct that there should be a unbiased flight test before the rating is issued.

Why aren't there "actual" test for float rating?
Because it is not necessary.

It is not necessary because the people who make the rules in TC are morons.

The very fact that it can be gotten cheaply relatively speaking is scarey and therefore it is even more important that you get the best you can find to teach you, because with the attitude you are displaying here on this forum you look like an accident looking for a place to happen.

[cdnpilot77]

You will know nothing of flying floats in the real world in a 7hr course, looking for the "cheapest" will not help you learn more. You can study all the books in the world but without the hand and feet practise it means nothing. I have 600hrs on floats now which is sfa compared to the guys you just insulted, and many people on the boards, but I bet none of them even has the thought that they know or have seen all there is to flying floats.
For instance:

Will you know what to do the first time this happens? What do you save? Not taught in any float rating!



Piece of advice, if you want people to respect your question and give you solid answers, don't insult the profession and work so hard to ensure revenues and terms and conditions for the pilots teaching the rating are brought down into the toilet like everything else.

[redhawkdown]

Any operator certified by TC should be good enough.

Just because someone does it cheap,
doesn't mean that they do their job bad.

[cdnpilot77]

Hahahaha, ok

Just because you buy a suit at Walmart, it doesnt mean its not as good as a designer tailored suit....right?

[Cat Driver]

Any operator certified by TC should be good enough.

Since when did one have to be certified by TC to train for sea plane ratings?

I thought anyone with a commercial license a sea plane rating and fifty hours on sea planes could offer sea plane rating training.

[straightpilot]

there should be a unbiased flight test before the [seaplane] rating is issued

Given the dismal accident record of tailwheel aircraft, not only should a tailwheel rating be required, but a flight test should be required for it, too.

[System Message]

He may have no intention of ever flying a floatplane other than the seven hours, or might not have flown in a long time and just wants a reason to go get some instruction and get back into flying. There are reasons why this is a legitimate question.

[redhawkdown]

First, I also think that there should be an actual flight test for float rating,
but that's just what you and I think.
But what are our thoughts based on? From personal experiences?
Do we have any data to prove to TC that the flight test must exist?

It's always easy to call the TC guys morons,
when you don't have the hard scientific facts to prove that there must be a change.
Before calling the TC guys morons,
SHOW ME some scientific facts to prove that the TC morons should include a flight test as one of the requirements.

TC didn't come up with the requirements in a single day,
and there are plenty of experts at TC to come up with the requirements.
You only think that there should be a flight test,
because you don't have an access to see the bigger picture.

Instead of calling the TC guys morons,
I'm gonna show them some respect for their work on keeping this country one of the best countries to learn flying.


Second, if you look at Q4 of my original post,
I also wanted to know a good operator regardless of the cost
yet no one comments on that.

Asking for the cheapest operator was just one of my four questions.
Basing one's attitude with just one question out of four questions or
with just a single post on a forum,
"you look like an accident looking for a place to happen."

Why can't people see the big picture?


Anyways, the fact is, I want the float rating.
If anyone can give me any info on any of my questions,
it would be very appreciated.

You can send me a message or leave me a reply.

Thank you for your time.

[straightpilot]

FAA requires a flight test for a seaplane rating, and an endorsement to fly tailwheel aircraft.

[KK7]

Although I don't like how the question was initially asked in this thread with the stupid @ symbols, and the "I think I know what I'm getting into", once again I am really disappointed that professional pilots out there have difficulty in seeing past what appears to be their own interests. There seems to be this idea out there that the only reason to do any kind of flight training is for two reasons:
1/ For the purpose of flying professionally, and
2/ To look good on a resume.

What's wrong for doing something for yourself, and for fun? Is there something wrong with wanting to learn how to fly floats for no other reason than for fun, and what if someone wants to learn, but isn't planning to continue after? Apparently this is taboo, I never knew. I had an opportunity many years ago to do some free float training. I admit float flying hasn't really interested me a whole lot as a professional avenue, but always thought it would be fun to try it out. I helped a guy out once who had thousands of hours in his float plane, and I helped him obtain his CPL. With his CPL, he was now qualified to teach float ratings, and in exchange for the help I gave him, he took me up and we went through a rough float training syllabus. He didn't have the insurance coverage to let me go solo, and I had no need of a float rating on my licence, so I never fully "completed" the rating, although I more than what would be considered the standard training. I enjoyed it, it added to my own personal experiences, but I don't need it on my resume and I don't plan on using this towards my professional career. Apparently to some this is wrong.

Recently, I notice over and over again that so many only consider any kind of training worthwhile if it looks good on a resume, and this is a very unfortunate way to think.

[Beefitarian]

I like a good dog pile but kk7 might be on to something.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& no one seemed to see Q4.

[TeePeeCreeper]

TC didn't come up with the requirements in a single day,
and there are plenty of experts at TC to come up with the requirements.
You only think that there should be a flight test,
because you don't have an access to see the bigger picture.

Asking for the cheapest operator was just one of my four questions.
Basing one's attitude with just one question out of four questions or
with just a single post on a forum,
"you look like an accident looking for a place to happen."


Why can't people see the big picture?

So you've got the gist of "the bigger picture"???

If you do, why don't you enlighten us with your knowledge....Why do insurance companies require far more time on type/configuration to obtain insurance coverage than TC's minimum licensing requirements?

The fact remains that as a pilot you should strive to ensure that you are as competent and as well trained as you can possibly be. This has nothing to do with who went to a private school or not... It has everything to do with ensuring that you get the best training possible. Anyone who is looking for the cheapest training (not to be confused with the best training obtainable at a reasonable cost) does not have the mindset of a true professional.

Pardon me if I'm casting you in an unfavourable light, but most of your posts on this site are ones in which you imply that your looking for the cheapest way to obtain what you want.

Trust me if I were not flying seaplanes on the other side of the world, I would gladly meet you in YYZ and tell you all of this face, to face over a coffee. I am sure most of the other posters in this thread would as well.

Strive for excellence, anything less is considered mediocre at best and certainly shouldn't be tolerated in this industry.

@ KK7: I enjoyed that flying we did but in your case we both knew that you were looking to expand your skills and not to get the rating on your licence. Haven't heard from you in a long while, shoot me an email once of these days!

Regards,
TPC

[straightpilot]

I don't know anything about this "big picture" I keep hearing about - does it hang in your living room? - but if you really want to do something about the accident rate in small aircraft, require a rating to fly homebuilts, which have terrible accident rates.

It's a double-whammy: uncertifiable aircraft with peculiar handling characteristics, flown by extremely rusty builder-pilots who generally aren't competent to operate even docile, certified aircraft because they haven't flown in 10 years.

I'm sorry if I'm not up on the attack-mode interaction on this website yet. I'll work on it.

[SuperchargedRS]

When it comes to training money does not always = quality.

I've seen some guys that had a huge amount of hours retire and instruct, I've gotten a few students that didnt finish up training with these types and came to we to finish them up. I've had to clean up the mess of these maestro instructors, sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you dont. Trying to save money and still accomplish a goal is OK, infact it's a smart thing to do, charging alot of money does not prove quality.

[Brewguy]

I'm looking for the cheapest float rating in Ontario.

Q1: Who does the float rating cheapest in Ontario?

Q3: Does it get cheaper as it gets close to winter?
If so, when would it be the cheapest time to do the training?

Okay, so fine - one of your questions was 'who is best (even if not the cheapest) ... but the rest of your post was cheap, cheaper, cheapest. Anyone who works, or has ever worked in aviation, at any level (instructor, management, commercial pilot, AME, even administrative people) should take huge offense to this.

Flying is not a poor mans sport - it's expensive. The machines are expensive to purchase, to insure, to operate and to maintain. To be in any way shape or form 'competitive', operators must cut to the bone as it is. Margins are razor thin. There's nothing wrong with saving a buck where you can, but all of you cheap people, 'grinders', 'cheap bastards', whatever you want to call yourselves, keep wages low and put businesses under.

[coreydotcom]

@Beefitarian: I have never read a post of yours I didn't laugh at. This latest one about the dog pile = classic. thanks.

[Cat Driver]

TC didn't come up with the requirements in a single day,
and there are plenty of experts at TC to come up with the requirements.
You only think that there should be a flight test,
because you don't have an access to see the bigger picture.

I don't have access to the bigger picture to comment on how TC works?

Not only have I worked with TC and owned a flight school both airplanes and helicopters I have actual paper licenses that authorize me to instruct in the following areas of the world.

South Africa.

Australia.

Europe under JAR.

My last position in aviation was as an adviser of flight training for sea plane airline crews working with the Greek CAA. Therefore my opinion on the quality of TC's decision making crew in regard to the sea plane rating requirements should have some worth...at least I would hope so.

Instead of calling the TC guys morons,
I'm gonna show them some respect for their work on keeping this country one of the best countries to learn flying.

Fair enough, but read my qualifications and the areas of the world that I am licensed to work in that was used to in my opinion describe them as morons and show me your qualifications to show I am wrong.

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

What he needs to do is achieve your Avcanada qualifications. Assuming you take 5 minutes per post to gather - process - and submit - You have spent nearly 53 days of your life sitting at the computer telling people they are wrong and or contributing.

This figure is however , rough - and does not include browsing time.

[Shiny Side Up]

TC didn't come up with the requirements in a single day,
and there are plenty of experts at TC to come up with the requirements.
You only think that there should be a flight test,
because you don't have an access to see the bigger picture.

Instead of calling the TC guys morons,
I'm gonna show them some respect for their work on keeping this country one of the best countries to learn flying.

This has got to be one of the funniest things I'll probably see today. Someone's in for a shock some day. General aviation continues in this country in spite of TC's efforts, not because of them.