Air Canada halts overnight stays in downtown Winnipeg

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Air Canada halts overnight stays in downtown Winnipeg

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http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Canad ... story.html
Air Canada has confirmed reports it is no longer allowing its pilots and flight crews to stay at hotels in downtown Winnipeg during layovers because of safety concerns.

“In this instance, we are acting out of an abundance of caution after conducting a security assessment with both local law enforcement officials in Winnipeg and our own security people,” Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said in an email to Postmedia News.
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It is good to see that the Winnipeg police, and even Air Canada's security people are concerned enough about the situation , that they have proactively undertaken to protect the good people of Winnipeg from flight crews in their midst.
The question now becomes what other citizenery will have its safety negatively impacted to Air Canada flight crews overnighting in their community?
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trey kule wrote:It is good to see that the Winnipeg police, and even Air Canada's security people are concerned enough about the situation , that they have proactively undertaken to protect the good people of Winnipeg from flight crews in their midst.
Too funny lol
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Isn't there a pilot base in YWG?
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Meanwhile...
Cops assaulted after hotel robbery

The Winnipeg Sun
Updated: Friday, September 23, 2011 01:46 PM CDT

Two officers were assaulted by a robbery suspect earlier this week, Winnipeg police say.

Police say two suspects forced open the locked front door at a hotel in the 1700-block of Sargent Avenue about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday and demanded money from the desk clerk. The 50-year-old woman handed over an undisclosed amount of cash.

Police quickly found two male suspects in the area of Ellice Avenue and Berry Street.

One suspect allegedly assaulted two police officers during processing. Neither officer required medical attention, police said.

Michael James Kipling, 37, is charged with robbery, break and enter with intent, breach of probation and two counts of assaulting a peace officer.

Patrick Carl Scott, 24, is charged with robbery and break and enter with intent.

Both men have been detained at the Winnipeg Remand Centre.
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trey kule wrote:The question now becomes what other citizenery will have its safety negatively impacted to Air Canada flight crews overnighting in their community?
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grimey wrote:http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Canad ... story.html
Air Canada has confirmed reports it is no longer allowing its pilots and flight crews to stay at hotels in downtown Winnipeg during layovers because of safety concerns.

“In this instance, we are acting out of an abundance of caution after conducting a security assessment with both local law enforcement officials in Winnipeg and our own security people,” Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said in an email to Postmedia News.

Turkish Airlines said the same thing about Kabul. :smt040
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I thought it was only a matter of time, but sure enough... http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breaki ... 00088.html :roll:

So the clouds are white... that must be racist
Most airplanes are white...


Gee, what else will they throw the race card at next, i am sick of it! :vom:
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Actually, if you read the history of Winnipeg you'll see that they have been having this problem for 200 years. The issue is that you have all these dosshouse hotels on main street selling booze to the bums who live in them. The solution is simple - why the @#$! haven't you done anything about it in 200 years, Winnipeg?

Good for Air Canada looking out for their employees. Perhaps this might spur Winnipeg into actually doing something about the problem rather than just ignoring or denying it.

Oh, and most of the problems are caused by natives. That's not being racist, it's just a fact. Again, they need to do something about it rather than whine. Not all natives are useless drunks...some bands are working hard to help themselves. Unfortunately pretty much everyone who lives in Winnipeg thinks of natives as useless drunks because that is what they see.
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A poorly worded memo, IMHO. They (accidentally?)subtly imply that the displaced people are to blame for Winnipeg's ills- which is pretty unfair of them. If I was from one of the affected communities, I'd be pissed off, too.
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This wouldn't even be a story if it wasn't AC! It was an internal memo that had no business being released into the hands of the media.

AC should not be apologizing for anything they have done!
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North Shore wrote:A poorly worded memo, IMHO. They (accidentally?)subtly imply that the displaced people are to blame for Winnipeg's ills- which is pretty unfair of them. If I was from one of the affected communities, I'd be pissed off, too.
Why should you be pissed off if its the truth. Maybe its time people took responsibility for their own actions instead of always blaming it on others. Just because you are displaced doesn't give you the right to automatically cause an increase in violent crime wherever you are displaced too. Does being displaced from your home for months on end suck? You bet it does. But each individual is responsible if they want to get drunk of their a$$ and harass others or not. These are not isolated incidents. And if its not the "displaced people" causing the issues then who is it....
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So where's the proof that the crime rate has gone up since the displaced arrived in the 'Peg? And the further proof that it is the displaced that are causing such crime?
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North Shore wrote:So where's the proof that the crime rate has gone up since the displaced arrived in the 'Peg? And the further proof that it is the displaced that are causing such crime?
“In this instance, we are acting out of an abundance of caution after conducting a security assessment with both local law enforcement officials in Winnipeg and our own security people,”
I'm reasonably sure those guys would have first hand knowledge.
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whiteguy wrote:This wouldn't even be a story if it wasn't AC! It was an internal memo that had no business being released into the hands of the media.

AC should not be apologizing for anything they have done!
Riiight :roll: You release a company memo to 3000 + pilots containing material that it doesn't take too much of a stretch of the imagination to see that it could be controversial, and then wonder why a controversy erupts, or that somehow it got into the hands of the media? In the digital age, pretty much everything that leaves the confines of your personal computer could, at some time, become public knowledge. People should conduct themselves accordingly - and Air Canada should have known better.
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North Shore wrote:So where's the proof that the crime rate has gone up since the displaced arrived in the 'Peg? And the further proof that it is the displaced that are causing such crime?
You'll never see that statistic released, even if it is true. Back when I was a northern boy, my wife and I used Winnipeg as a rendezvous point to save the money of her flying up to some remote community. We'd stay at the Forks and branch out from there. I promise you there was a certain group of people that perpetually gave us trouble in Winnipeg over others and I hated it. I know too many great people that share the same background as the troublemakers I've encountered in Winnipeg and it has spoiled too many people's thoughts of that cultural group. That is why you have seen the replies that you have. I don't care for it either, but its to be expected.
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CpnCrunch wrote:Actually, if you read the history of Winnipeg you'll see that they have been having this problem for 200 years. The issue is that you have all these dosshouse hotels on main street selling booze to the bums who live in them. The solution is simple - why the @#$! haven't you done anything about it in 200 years, Winnipeg?

Good for Air Canada looking out for their employees. Perhaps this might spur Winnipeg into actually doing something about the problem rather than just ignoring or denying it.

Oh, and most of the problems are caused by natives. That's not being racist, it's just a fact. Again, they need to do something about it rather than whine. Not all natives are useless drunks...some bands are working hard to help themselves. Unfortunately pretty much everyone who lives in Winnipeg thinks of natives as useless drunks because that is what they see.
While I agree with you that something needs to be done about the social problems experienced by many native communities, I think it is very easy to say, while very hard to implement. And we also need to think about why they are having social problems like this - it's because of "white" people and what "we" have done to them in the past XXX hundred years. That's not being racist either, that's also a fact.
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This has NOTHING to do with the location of the hotel or the security of the crews on layover. It has EVERYTHING to do with the company saving a buck or two and blaming it on social ills. This has EVERYTHING to do with the company testing the resolve of ACPA and CUPE during negotiations as it is a violation of the contract to unilaterally change hotels without approval.

The citizens of Winnipeg and the Natives were collateral damage in this childish game.

We have layovers in Bogota, Caracas, Lima, Tel Aviv and those are safe? The company has recently changed the Caracas layover and will have the pilots layover in Maiquetia which is even more dangerous. Why? It's a couple bucks cheaper.
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coreydotcom wrote: While I agree with you that something needs to be done about the social problems experienced by many native communities, I think it is very easy to say, while very hard to implement. And we also need to think about why they are having social problems like this - it's because of "white" people and what "we" have done to them in the past XXX hundred years. That's not being racist either, that's also a fact.
Really? WE? You and I? We are the ones who did it to the Natives? Even GERMANY has paid for WW2 already... when will the "white" man's debt be paid to the Aboriginals?

Sometimes, when you over-protect a victim they become dependent. I personally know people of that group who HATE the fact that the government is giving out money because if you're fat dumb and happy with money coming in, you'll always stay fat dumb and happy. That's not MY opinion, that's the opinion of the successful Natives I know.
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Really? WE? You and I? We are the ones who did it to the Natives? Even GERMANY has paid for WW2 already... when will the "white" man's debt be paid to the Aboriginals?
"We" prefer we send the problem out of sight, pour money all over it and hope it goes away.

Edited to add that I love my Winnipeg overnights downtown and have never felt unsafe there.
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Wacko wrote:Really? WE? You and I? We are the ones who did it to the Natives? Even GERMANY has paid for WW2 already... when will the "white" man's debt be paid to the Aboriginals?

Sometimes, when you over-protect a victim they become dependent. I personally know people of that group who HATE the fact that the government is giving out money because if you're fat dumb and happy with money coming in, you'll always stay fat dumb and happy. That's not MY opinion, that's the opinion of the successful Natives I know.
Well, not you and me (I can't speak for you but I trust that it wasn't you lol).

I 100% agree with you - I was more pointing to the fact that the White man created this whole mess. But as you point out, the solution is not just throw money at them and hope they get better. I believe (and I may be 100% wrong) that assimilation would have been the key (assimilation into regular society). I am the son of an immigrant. My mother is what I would consider to be "assimilated" but she still participates in her cultural activities. Point being: why didn't the natives get assimilated? I would think you could be a proud and distinct people and still live normally in "regular" society? Am I wrong? Look at all the "Chinatowns" and "Little Italys" - we don't send our immigrants onto special reserves so why did we send the natives there.
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Go Guns wrote:
Really? WE? You and I? We are the ones who did it to the Natives? Even GERMANY has paid for WW2 already... when will the "white" man's debt be paid to the Aboriginals?
"We" prefer we send the problem out of sight, pour money all over it and hope it goes away.

Edited to add that I love my Winnipeg overnights downtown and have never felt unsafe there.
We stay downtown at the Fort Garry for our overnights and haven't had any problems.
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I agree with the AC pilots actions.

YWG downtown is greaaaasy at best. I live Portage downtown and its harsh. Sandman or 4 points airport hotels, if that's their new location is beauty accommodations.

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I agree with the AC pilots actions.

YWG downtown is greaaaasy at best. I live Portage downtown and its harsh.
Actually, the AC pilots want to continue you to stay downtown. They have no problem with their current hotel and feel the only reason the company is moving them is to save money.
The Globe and Mail wrote:The decision was lambasted by officials and citizens in Winnipeg and declared “ridiculous” by Air Canada’s own pilots. Air Canada staff stay in downtown accommodations in cities throughout the world, a clause that is actually written into its union contracts.

“The notion that the entire downtown area of Winnipeg is unsafe is quite frankly ridiculous,” said Captain Paul Strachan, president of the Air Canada Pilots Association.

“One that jumps to my mind is Sao Paolo, where I’ve been frequently. We stay in the core and it’s a far less safe city than Winnipeg.”
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Go Guns wrote: Actually, the AC pilots want to continue you to stay downtown. They have no problem with their current hotel and feel the only reason the company is moving them is to save money.

Thats not entirely true. There are issues with the current hotel because of its location not because of the hotel itself. Most of us however have no issue with the location of several other hotels downtown and feel its being done to save cash.
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