AME respect

[citation75]

In my life as an apprentice I meet ames who have never had to heat the lords
In boiling water to change an engine at -50 or started off at 5.00/hr with 1000hrs
Of ot at reg pay instead they get in at some corporate yyc or yvr never had to venture north of sixty to make ends meet and they expect me to give them respect like the boys who have
Or do I owe them an apology

[Valkyrie_XB70]

Why not just respect everyone equally until they give you cause to lose respect for them?

[iflyforpie]

I've never done any of the above, but known people who have. Some worth respect, most not.

It just means they were willing to work for cheapskate employers in unpleasant conditions. Not things that tend to elevate our position or working conditions.

[KISS_MY_TCAS]

As stated, why disrespect an AME based on what sector of the industry they come from? On the opposite side of the spectrum are northern bush/arctic AMEs that move south into a fully equipped hangar with a full stores department where bush tricks just don't fly. Draw on the experience and knowledge of those around you, it may one day save you regardless of where you are. If you are unwilling to draw on the knowledge and experience of others or share your own knowledge and experience, YOU are the one that will be disrespected. It's a small industry, and there is no award for reaching the top of it, so try as you might you and many before you simply come across as an ass. Respect should be shown automatically to someone else who entered the same trivial profession you did, they jumped through the same hoops and are governed by the same rules, you just ended up in different sectors of the industry. If another operator breaks down at our airport, we hangar them and treat thier AMEs as our own, no matter where they are from. Northern ops, flight schools, corporate, airline....the list of AME types is endless, and each draws industry "tricks" uncommon to others. When they give you a legitimate reason to disrespect them, you will know beyond questioning a public forum that they did. You may one day move into a different sector of the industry and find yourself at the focal point of the question you posed. Or you may end up in someone else's hangar being scrutinized all the same. Company culture in maintenance is huge, industry culture is non-existent. I hate to admit it, but this is one area AMEs could take a lesson from pilots, their comradarie is much stronger.

[citation75]

TCAS thanks for the reply been an "approved to write aprenti" for toooooo long
I too have had to step outside the industry ie
$165,000 /yr to fund this insane addiction I picked up after buying
My first pa11 in '92

[citation75]

Want to hear something really insane
I got my journeyman papers for gasfitting (insert deep sobbing here)
The same day I started apprenticing man Of all the wives I
Never married I hate this one the worst

[HS-748 2A]

Now here's a question for the oh-so-learned and respected hard-boiled-lord-mount O.P.

Why would any self-respecting bush-hack-job engineer name himself after a corporate-jet, spam-can-P.O.S. ?

citation75

wtf.

Goodnight.


HS-748 2A

[LousyFisherman]

Why don't AME's respect each other? Common to them and pilots is wish (desire/lust) to denigrate others without knowing or understanding the subject being discussed. The thread "prop discussion" is a perfect example

I've never done any of the above, but known people who have. Some worth respect, most not. It just means they were willing to work for cheapskate employers in unpleasant conditions. Not things that tend to elevate our position or working conditions.

Thats sad. Most of the people I know work in conditions like that, mining and construction mostly, work for really good employers and were among the most competent.

Just my .02
LF

[elneric]

Seems like an unfortunate outlook. Not everyone is going to have the same life/work experiences. Perhaps they didn't have it as tough but respecting them as AMEs should be based more on the work they do than the just the hardships they faced while doing it.

[YYZSaabGuy]

Why not just respect everyone equally until they give you cause to lose respect for them?

What a concept.....
Not sure why changing out an engine at -50 necessarily entitles anyone to a higher level of "respect" than not having done it. WTF?
Or, for that matter, why it is that pursuing one's career (as an AME or anything else) anywhere south of 60 is somehow less worthy of respect? Not everybody in this world enjoys freezing their balls off.

[iflyforpie]

I've never done any of the above, but known people who have. Some worth respect, most not. It just means they were willing to work for cheapskate employers in unpleasant conditions. Not things that tend to elevate our position or working conditions.

Thats sad. Most of the people I know work in conditions like that, mining and construction mostly, work for really good employers and were among the most competent.

Well, maybe it was just in my experience. I was saying that most weren't worth respect after my experiences with them.

After leaving big jet world behind where everybody is indoctrinated the same and follows company manuals and safety policies to a tee, my experience in General Aviation under bush guys was as follows (all were licensed and DOM):

-A guy who took forever to do anything (a month--all billed, to do a basic private annual), but didn't know basic stuff like checking an oil filter for metal. He got fired.
-A guy who made up for his inexperience and disorganization by yelling at me like I was one of his kids. I actually orchestrated his sacking by refusing to cover his mistakes.
-A guy who was a confidence man. The answer was yes to everything in his desire to devalue and rip off the company. Terminated.
-A crusty old engineer who swatted a file away from an apprentice who was properly dressing a prop, only to show her the 'right' way by taking a flat screwdriver and peening over the damage.

All of that within one calendar year when the whole organization finally collapsed on itself. From then on I educated myself on how to fix light aircraft because I couldn't trust anyone I'd learned under. Thank god for Cessna Pilot's Association, probably the best source of knowledge to light aircraft AMEs out there.

[crazy_aviator]

Cant say anything wrong about the last post , Been in the industry over 26 years andhave seen a LOT of ignorance and legacy "norms" that were far from ideal . This is an industry where they eat their own and cover up the rest !

[Wonderdog]

Good that someone spoke up. Looks like northern sore fingered writing. Stay soft, work hard
M315881
SMcL.

and do not bug me about signing my name as prowd niganeer.
4-6 inches blue ice YVC.

[conehead]

For personal security reasons, I would not post my AME License number on an open internet forum.

[markymarkl]

For personal security reasons, I would not post my AME License number on an open internet forum.

YEP!! dumb

[iflyforpie]

For personal security reasons, I would not post my AME License number on an open internet forum.

YEP!! dumb

Yes, because you put it in random people's log books all of the time and if somebody wants to they can search for it on the TC website by using one of your names. WTF are they going to do with a number that is meaningless outside of the TC ecosystem?

At least it isn't like the Civil Aircraft Register where you get the full name and address of the registered owner from the tail number.

[Expat]

As an owner, you get a different perspective of an AME, than as a corporate pilot.
I am not a corporate pilot, but let me assume that they snag things, without sometimes having a clue what it is or how long before it can get fixed, etc...
As an owner for 10 years, I got to know quite a few AMEs, good, and less good. While most owners worry more about the cost of annuals and repairs, than the quality of the work, their assessment of AMEs can also be biased.

After trying many places for my annuals and repairs, I came across the best place, in CYOO. They were charging 55 dollars an hour, or so, back then. While talking about money, the chief mechanic there then told me, that he was paying 96 dollars an hour downtown Oshawa, for some incompetent mechanic to fix his F-150.
I then figured that after all it was not that bad. In addition, the guys there were super, and always tried to help me save money.

Like in any profession, there are varying levels of competency, but our canadian AMEs deserve respect. They do not have to be north of 60, to freeze their fingers. They do a lot of work outside, anywhere in Canada. I have seen some working outside on a plane in the cold, to save the owner inside parking charges.
Cheers