Cross wind causes media panic.

[Beefitarian]

On noes!111!!!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/canews-2 ... 12230.html

Way to scare the public.

[iflyforpie]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/canews-2 ... 08453.html

I like this one where they said 'the plane avoided a potential crash'.

That's like a regular day used to be at Kai Tek.

The cross wind was nearly exceeding the limits of my truck as I drove south on Hwy 22 yesterday, and heading west on Stoney Trail I had to downshift to maintain speed.

[sanjet]

Seems like a textbook landing in a crosswind. CBC is just loosing points every day...

[Beefitarian]

I think that second one is funnier.

[Nark]

Beef, I'm going to send a bill in the mail for my wasted time...

However, in the second clip, I giggled when she said "oot from a hoose." I guess I've been gone long enough from Canada, I can pick up on the accent now.

[Beefitarian]

I don't make the winds that according to the fear mongers nearly took out Lufthansa.

[gulfan]

Shame on me for not knowing that a normal windy approach would be sensationalized. On CBC National last night they indicated that "this plane almost encountered disaster".

[Expat]

Normal Deutch Ottoland Teknik!

[yycflyguy]

Can someone smarter than me post the METAR's for YYC from November 27th during the peak of the wind storm.

[The Fish]

Don't have the metar,
but I landed about 5 mins ahead of the Lufthansa 340, and the last i remember from the tower was 30 gusting 52, direction was 220.
We took 25 and the 340 took 28, he easily had 40+ on the beam!! Good job in the end!!

Cheers

[yycflyguy]

Don't have the metar,
but I landed about 5 mins ahead of the Lufthansa 340, and the last i remember from the tower was 30 gusting 52, direction was 220.
We took 25 and the 340 took 28, he easily had 40+ on the beam!! Good job in the end!!

Cheers

That's why I wanted to see what the winds were actually doing. 40+ X-wind component exceeds A340 limitations (yes, yes I know it is a demonstrated speed). Plus the one paper claims that the winds were 149km/hr. Just selling papers on fear.

Nice job by the crew landing on the centerline but should they have been there in the first place? How long did the "wind storm" last?

[Beefitarian]

Can someone smarter than me post the METAR's for YYC from November 27th during the peak of the wind storm.

No, I'm not and can't.

I found this via google but when I click the link it updates to a current report.

Updated at 8:00 PM GMT on November 27, 2011 (1:00 PM MST): METAR CYYC 272000Z 25036G49KT 20SM FEW160 SCT180 BKN210 13/M04 A2947 ... CLOUDS: CLEAR WX BECOMING FROM 02Z

36 knots gusting 49 is nasty but I still say the people that are reporting should not be crying or making it out to be some near catastrophic disaster. It wasn't even an ice storm.

[ditar]

Some time yesterday in the early afternoon when I took off out of there it was 240 at 43 gusting 57. It made for a short takeoff roll.

[kevenv]

Plus the one paper claims that the winds were 149km/hr. Just selling papers on fear.

Did that paper claim they were at the airport? Those winds were reported at the top of the Calgary Tower downtown and were what blew out windows in the office buildings.

[wee_in_yyc]

And then there was the large FOD blowing around: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8txGjzg ... ture=share

[jschnurr]

Can someone smarter than me post the METAR's for YYC from November 27th during the peak of the wind storm.

sure

2011-11-28 00:00 METAR CYYC 280000Z 23020G26KT 15SM FEW150 SCT180 BKN210 07/M01 A2958 RMK AC1AC2CI0 PRESRR SLP052 =
2011-11-27 23:00 METAR CYYC 272300Z 24028G33KT 20SM FEW150 SCT180 BKN220 08/M02 A2953 RMK AC1AC2CI0 SLP022 =
2011-11-27 22:00 METAR CYYC 272200Z 23028G37KT 20SM FEW110 SCT180 BKN210 10/M02 A2949 RMK AC1AC2CI0 SLP012 =
2011-11-27 21:00 METAR CYYC 272100Z 24031G41KT 20SM FEW110 SCT180 BKN210 12/M03 A2948 RMK AC1AC2CI1 SLP007 =
2011-11-27 20:00 METAR CYYC 272000Z 25036G49KT 20SM FEW160 SCT180 BKN210 13/M04 A2947 RMK AC2AC2CI0 SLP008 =
2011-11-27 19:00 METAR CYYC 271900Z 25035G46KT 40SM FEW160 BKN190 BKN210 13/M04 A2947 RMK AC2AC3CI0 SLP008 =
2011-11-27 18:00 METAR CYYC 271800Z 24030G39KT 40SM FEW150 BKN180 BKN210 13/M03 A2955 RMK AC2AC3CI1 SLP031 =
2011-11-27 17:00 METAR CYYC 271700Z 24031G38KT 40SM FEW150 BKN180 OVC230 13/M03 A2953 RMK AC2AC3CI2 SLP027 =
2011-11-27 16:00 METAR CYYC 271600Z 22020G30KT 40SM FEW180 BKN250 13/M03 A2958 RMK AC2CI1 SLP042 =

[yycflyguy]

Can someone smarter than me post the METAR's for YYC from November 27th during the peak of the wind storm.

sure

2011-11-28 00:00 METAR CYYC 280000Z 23020G26KT 15SM FEW150 SCT180 BKN210 07/M01 A2958 RMK AC1AC2CI0 PRESRR SLP052 =
2011-11-27 23:00 METAR CYYC 272300Z 24028G33KT 20SM FEW150 SCT180 BKN220 08/M02 A2953 RMK AC1AC2CI0 SLP022 =
2011-11-27 22:00 METAR CYYC 272200Z 23028G37KT 20SM FEW110 SCT180 BKN210 10/M02 A2949 RMK AC1AC2CI0 SLP012 =
2011-11-27 21:00 METAR CYYC 272100Z 24031G41KT 20SM FEW110 SCT180 BKN210 12/M03 A2948 RMK AC1AC2CI1 SLP007 =
2011-11-27 20:00 METAR CYYC 272000Z 25036G49KT 20SM FEW160 SCT180 BKN210 13/M04 A2947 RMK AC2AC2CI0 SLP008 =
2011-11-27 19:00 METAR CYYC 271900Z 25035G46KT 40SM FEW160 BKN190 BKN210 13/M04 A2947 RMK AC2AC3CI0 SLP008 =
2011-11-27 18:00 METAR CYYC 271800Z 24030G39KT 40SM FEW150 BKN180 BKN210 13/M03 A2955 RMK AC2AC3CI1 SLP031 =
2011-11-27 17:00 METAR CYYC 271700Z 24031G38KT 40SM FEW150 BKN180 OVC230 13/M03 A2953 RMK AC2AC3CI2 SLP027 =
2011-11-27 16:00 METAR CYYC 271600Z 22020G30KT 40SM FEW180 BKN250 13/M03 A2958 RMK AC2CI1 SLP042 =

Thanks. Exactly what I was looking for. Perhaps you could enlighten me on how to do it for the future?

Plus the one paper claims that the winds were 149km/hr. Just selling papers on fear.

Did that paper claim they were at the airport? Those winds were reported at the top of the Calgary Tower downtown and were what blew out windows in the office buildings.

Um, yeah. Thanks. Perhaps they were standing on top of Mt Yamnuska too. Normally planes don't land on top of the Calgary Tower or Mt Yamnuska. Here is the headline of the paper (National Post) I was questioning.

Lufthansa flight makes dramatic landing in 149km/h Calgary windstorm

Sorta implies at the airport dontchathink.

149km/hr is around 86 knots. Far from the peak of 49 knots in the METARs that jschnurr posted.

[Beefitarian]

Classic, if the wind was that high and still at 250° would they have tried one of the other runways? How much space does that baby need?

[Cough Syrup]

Looked like a normal cross wind landing to me in those circumstances...

CBC is becoming the Canadian 'Fox News'.

[frozen solid]

I notice, not just here but in other videos, that the very large planes land like that in crosswinds: they seem to touch down in a level attitude and then just sort of skid straight once they touch. I know some have some kind of swivel-ey landing gear, but still, it doesn't look like the classic crosswind technique. Is it because the engines are so low-slung they can't put a wing down, or some other reason?

Also I wish they would stop training this particular technique on small planes in the flying schools. It might work just fine on transport jets, but it doesn't look as pretty watching a new co-pilot try to land a twin otter that way, particularly when it's on floats.

[Nark]

Is it because the engines are so low-slung they can't put a wing down, or some other reason?

Yep.

I don't think many large transport category aircraft that have bogey's that swivel.

[Doc]

So much todo over a cross wind landing. What is this? A training film for Seneca? WHAT, it was over 5 knots?
Typical media. Place on "ignore"....now back to our regular programming....

[frozen solid]

Is it because the engines are so low-slung they can't put a wing down, or some other reason?

Yep.

I don't think many large transport category aircraft that have bogey's that swivel.

It turns out you're right. A quick check on the internet reveals that the 747, which I thought had swivelling bogies, only has them for ground steering, not for landing. The B-52 has real x-wind gear, and the C-17 used to but doesn't anymore because it was a maintenance problem. Oh well.

[Doc]

C-17 used to but doesn't anymore because it was a maintenance problem. Oh well.

You mean, the poor things might have to actually maintain/fix the thing. That's what you get for buying airplanes with "moving" parts!

[sidestick stirrer]

the heavys can use their inertia when landing in strong crosswinds. Keep the crab on until beginning the flare, then ease off the drift angle and hopefully the aircraft will touch down just as the fuselage lines up with the centreline. The inertia generates about one second's grace with the crab off before the ship begins to drift downwind.A bit of into-wind aileron after that to keep the wings level.
Heavies with very-large podded engines have reduced roll freedom on the ground and have to be landed with some of the crab still on to avoid dragging an engine.