AC 767 Engine Failure

flyincanuck · Post by **flyincanuck** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:11 am

Buddy in Torbay said flt 861 just pulled in after securing an engine over the Atlantic. Nice work by the crew. Can't find news on it yet...too fresh.

ktcanuck · Post by **ktcanuck** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:30 am

flyincanuck wrote:Buddy in Torbay said flt 861 just pulled in after securing an engine over the Atlantic. Nice work by the crew. Can't find news on it yet...too fresh.

What did the crew do that was "nice"?

FlyGy · Post by **FlyGy** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:05 am

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA861

KISS_MY_TCAS · Post by **KISS_MY_TCAS** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:53 pm

ktcanuck wrote:
What did the crew do that was "nice"?

Considering it was AC, they showed up for work. Of course now we will all have to listen to how they should be paid more for flying an ETOPS certified jet across open water on one stove, and the people in the back didn't pay enough for their tickets to experience it.

FlyGy · Post by **FlyGy** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:14 am

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... erted.html

Ned Ryerson · Post by **Ned Ryerson** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:05 pm

Boy hard to get any credit these days...

ch135146 · Post by **ch135146** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:24 pm

Ned Ryerson wrote:Boy hard to get any credit these days...

As somebody who has shut a sour engine down a few times over inhospitable terrain, water, or in bad weather, I certainly give them credit.

fijdor · Post by **fijdor** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:23 pm

Funny I have 13,000 hrs on one engine and I never received "credit" for it.

They did their jobs properly and made it back, good work

Jd

Caracrane · Post by **Caracrane** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:19 am

I agree with KTCanuck, they just did what they were trained for. They don't deserve any congrats.

Ned Ryerson · Post by **Ned Ryerson** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:01 am

So what? They handled an abnormal situation professionally. Just because it wasn't a nail bitting future mayday episode doesn't mean they didn't do a good job. At that tune I guess no one deserves credit for what they were trained to do.

FlyGy · Post by **FlyGy** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:17 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:So what? They handled an abnormal situation professionally. Just because it wasn't a nail bitting future mayday episode doesn't mean they didn't do a good job. At that tune I guess no one deserves credit for what they were trained to do.

Oh, but they'll make it a nail biter, they will.

BTyyj · Post by **BTyyj** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:43 am

Caracrane wrote:I agree with KTCanuck, they just did what they were trained for. They don't deserve any congrats.

Well Caracrane and KTCanuck, let me ask you this:

-When Michael Phelps trained for and won eight gold medals at the Olympics ... does he deserve congrats?
-When firefighters risk their lives to save someone from a burning building like they are trained to ... do they deserve congrats?
-When a SAR Tech jumps into the arctic to rescue someone like they're trained to ... do they deserve congrats?

It seems that by your logic, none of the aforementioned persons deserve any congratulations. Apparently, someone must do something they weren't even trained to do, in order to be given any credit, which is absolutely ridiculous.

Honestly, the level of bitterness and resentment of users on this forum is astounding.

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:27 pm

My wife is a former FA and told me this story...

She is serving drinks and asks a small boy what he would like. He asks for his drink (can't remember what is was) and my wife pours it and hands it to him. The boy politely says, "thank you" at which point the boy's mother looks at him and says, "You don't have to thank her, it's her job."

And people wonder why kids grow into adults with no manners.

Remember common courtesy and recognition cost you nothing but will go along way into making your interaction with people far more pleasant.

AJV · Post by **AJV** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:33 pm

Flying Low wrote:My wife is a former FA and told me this story...

She is serving drinks and asks a small boy what he would like. He asks for his drink (can't remember what is was) and my wife pours it and hands it to him. The boy politely says, "thank you" at which point the boy's mother looks at him and says, "You don't have to thank her, it's her job."

Wow, I bet the mother's maintenance fees were high!

Flying Low wrote:And people wonder why kids grow into adults with no manners.

Remember common courtesy and recognition cost you nothing but will go along way into making your interaction with people far more pleasant.

Agreed!

robertsailor1 · Post by **robertsailor1** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:18 pm

-When Michael Phelps trained for and won eight gold medals at the Olympics ... does he deserve congrats?

Your comparing a couple of pilots flying single engine computers to Michael Phelps????? Get a life, there is NO comparrison because there is only one guy like Phelps and there are many thousands of pilots capable of doing what those 2 boys did so please don't use rediculous comparrisons!!

BTyyj · Post by **BTyyj** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:11 pm

robertsailor1 wrote:-When Michael Phelps trained for and won eight gold medals at the Olympics ... does he deserve congrats?

Your comparing a couple of pilots flying single engine computers to Michael Phelps????? Get a life, there is NO comparrison because there is only one guy like Phelps and there are many thousands of pilots capable of doing what those 2 boys did so please don't use rediculous comparrisons!!

The poster I was responding to, was saying that people shouldn't be congratulated for completing what they are trained to do. I was referencing the fact that what Michael Phelps did, he was already trained to do. Should he not be congratulated for his accomplishments simply because of that fact? Please explain to me where I directly compared Michael Phelps with pilots! I was simply pointing out, that under the KTCanuck's logic, Michael Phelps shouldn't have been given any credit for his accomplishments, as he already had trained for them.

KK7 · Post by **KK7** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:37 pm

There are a lot of horrible people here I would hope to never work for or with. It's okay to give credit to someone who does their job well, even if it is nothing more than their usual job. I've worked for those types of companies that you never hear anything from management until you've done something wrong, and quite frankly it's much more pleasant to work for people who appreciate good work as well.

These guys were trained to handle this emergency, and it appears as though they handled it well. Good job!

robertsailor1 · Post by **robertsailor1** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:58 pm

I have no problem giving a high 5 for a job well done, whatever that job is and I do it quite often but I just felt your comparrison was a little over the top. I see what you were getting at but it was probably not the best way to get your point across.

ktcanuck · Post by **ktcanuck** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:45 am

The original poster never answered my question so I will assume his comment was meaningless save that he was giving the equivalent of a "thank you" to a cup of coffee from a FA.

If I may: What was nice was that the other engine didn't fail and that had nothing exceptional to do with the flight crew.

Meatservo · Post by **Meatservo** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:22 pm

*edited. "must stop correcting peoples' spelling. It's none of my business*

KTCanuck, sounds to me like you have an axe to grind of some kind. If your point is merely to point out that an engine failure in a modern jet shouldn't ruffle anyone's feathers, you're right. Still, there have been smaller problems in recent memory that have developed into giant shit-shows for no apparent reason, so "good work" to the crew. Are you a flight attendant whom nobody thanks for the coffee? It seems like you need a hug or something.

All the original poster said was "nice work". He wasn't proposing giving them a medal. You say "nice work" to your kid when he's finished his homework or to your copilot when he passes his ride. It's just a nice thing to say. Christ, a lot of you guys are jerks!

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:57 pm

I agree with what meatservo just posted except that part about not correcting my spelling. Sometimes it's attroshus.

BeaverDriver13 · Post by **BeaverDriver13** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:22 pm

[quote="Meatservo"
All the original poster said was "nice work". He wasn't proposing giving them a medal. You say "nice work" to your kid when he's finished his homework or to your copilot when he passes his ride. It's just a nice thing to say. Christ, a lot of you guys are jerks![/quote]

Exactly what I was about to say. Especially that last comment. Just because people are trained to handle a situation such as an engine failure in cruise doesn't mean they don't deserve a little credit for handling it well. Grow up and quit being ***holes

ktcanuck · Post by **ktcanuck** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:38 am

BeaverDriver13 wrote:
Meatservo wrote: All the original poster said was "nice work". He wasn't proposing giving them a medal. You say "nice work" to your kid when he's finished his homework or to your copilot when he passes his ride. It's just a nice thing to say. Christ, a lot of you guys are jerks!
Exactly what I was about to say. Especially that last comment. Just because people are trained to handle a situation such as an engine failure in cruise doesn't mean they don't deserve a little credit for handling it well. Grow up and quit being ***holes

Before you and Meatservo call folks jerks read what I posted. The OP said "nice work" as if, the way I read it, he might be in the know about something. I asked what. If that makes me a jerk then so be it.

Now, in my opinion, if I am allowed to say so, "nice work" to a flight crew means you have done something out of the ordinary. Unless you are condescending enough to treat them like your kids, that is.

silent_pete · Post by **silent_pete** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:07 pm

Ummmmm......Last I checked securing a stove over the pond IS out of the ordinary these days. So to follow ktcanuck last post, Nice work to the flight crew. Sheesh! Some peoples kids eh?

flyincanuck · Post by **flyincanuck** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:12 pm

I've been away since the first post. Unbelievable.

So, to the nay-sayers: have you ever said "nice work", "good job", or "well done", after a long day of flying, or a nicely executed touchdown?

I didn't think twice about saying "good work" in the first post.

When someone says "good morning" to you, do you really contemplate whether or not it is a good morning?

Get a life fellas, and stop being so literal.

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