CMA & the Do-328

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:47 pm

Was talking to a friend of mine who is a pilot for CMA and he was telling me that he was talking to a maintenance Crew Cheif last night and I guess CMA is having a hell of a time keeping the Do-328 serivcalbe. I guess the pilots are snagging every little thing. Also there is a huge lack of parts and GSE equipment......the a/c hasn't missed a day yet but I guess it has been close too, but maintenace always seems to come through..................loads are suppose to be way up to!!!!

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:52 pm

Aircraft comes home with snags, gets fixed at night, and goes flying the next day. Wow, some story.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:26 pm

well I wonder how much longer before it doesn't go flying the next day?

DragEraser · Post by **DragEraser** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:32 pm

Who cares. Someone will be called in from reserve to fly the Beeatch1900
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flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:19 pm

and when the loads are above 18 for most of the legs and there isn't a 1900 spare???????

No more BS · Post by **No more BS** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:39 am

Welcome to the real aviation world, people...

Most airlines DON'T have a plan B if plan A is not working(usually = cancel flights)

ZLIN 142C · Post by **ZLIN 142C** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:43 am

I wouldn't get too concerned yet. There will be snags with any new aircraft entering service. No doubt there's a steep learning curve associated with maintaining an A/C that's considerably more complex than the 1900D. And the necessary spares and supplies availability will be sporadic until maintenance discovers first-hand exactly what needs to be kept on hand. Things will be sorted out in time.

I propose a toast to the unsung AMEs who work long nights to make sure the aircraft can leave the hangar in one piece the next day. (Wow, this stuff's GREAT! Okay, I propose another toast, or maybe two. . .)

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Tue May 17, 2005 6:02 pm

I second that toast.....I strongly feel AME's are unappreicated most of the time. Way to go CMA Do-328 AME's!!!!!

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:31 pm

Bang-on 'zlin',

Any new type that we get we generally use a six month 'break-in' period. It takes a while for all parties involved to get accustomed to a new plane! Maintenance, pilots, dispatchers, rampies, there's a huge learning curve involved with bringing in a new type.

Forget new type, I'm sure Borek even has issues with KA's that they buy and put on-line...and they're the KA gods!!

G

ZLIN 142C · Post by **ZLIN 142C** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:13 am

greenwich wrote:...and they're the KA gods!!G

I like that!

I always thought KAG stood for King Air Guy, but now I guess I was mistaken. "King Air God" has a nice ring to it - maybe once he breaks ten thousand hours he'll change his name.

(Just teasing, KAG. No offence intended.)

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:12 pm

well investing in training and equi[pment will save a comapny huge bucks in the long run. I hope CMA wakes up and realizes this!

Slider16 · Post by **Slider16** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:34 pm

ZLIN 142C wrote:I wouldn't get too concerned yet. There will be snags with any new aircraft entering service. No doubt there's a steep learning curve associated with maintaining an A/C that's considerably more complex than the 1900D. And the necessary spares and supplies availability will be sporadic until maintenance discovers first-hand exactly what needs to be kept on hand. Things will be sorted out in time.

I propose a toast to the unsung AMEs who work long nights to make sure the aircraft can leave the hangar in one piece the next day. (Wow, this stuff's GREAT! Okay, I propose another toast, or maybe two. . .)

I agree. We shouldn't be so critical when this a/c just came on line. Give it more time. And yes, AME's do a fabulous job!

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:42 pm

flyboeing, it sounds to me like you're just stirring sh*t. Why the hell do you care so much?

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Thu May 19, 2005 9:57 am

aahhh geez it does look like i'm try to stir the pot......look at all the FACTS i wrote

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:00 am

The real story is the flip flop by the company on how many they were going to acquire. During the whole lead up it was, "The lease cost is the same as the 1900", "the operating cost is basically the same as the 1900", "[insert ridiculous statement] is the same as the 1900".

Now all we hear is, "The Dornier is taking up a lot of resources", "It cost a lot more than expected" etc. and so forth. "Second Do328 is on hold indefinitely".
Not trying to air dirty laundry but that kind of logic NEVER rings true! I've sat in a sales meeting with a Pilatus rep and was told straight up that a PC-12 would cost the exact same to operate as a Caravan. Ya, right why don't we just ignore the fact that it is twice as expensive to buy, has retractable gear, and is pressurized. Except for that, sure!

Its a salesman's tactic and CMA fell for it. I'm sure right now all across the world there is a salesman telling a King Air operator that a 1900 is the same operating cost. Then the Do328 rep is next door saying its the same as a 1900. Then hey why don't we just get a CRJ? And so goes the cycle.

Having said all that the passengers seem to love it (the Do328), and of course introducing a new type causes headaches. It seems to me that everything is going as well as can be expected and I'm sure once Jazz starts dropping their -100's and ignoring the west even more in the next few years, CMA will end up with a bunch more.

J31 · Post by **J31** » Thu May 19, 2005 12:48 pm

Several years ago I spoke to a former Horizon Air pilot and he spoke very fondly about how the pilots loved the aircraft and what a great performer it was in the Rockies. He also said the reason Horizon got rid of them was they were hanger queens, parts were hard to get and were expensive. The Dash 8 worked much better for them.

I hope CMA has better luck with it.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:08 pm

anybody know what the flight attendants are like....if you know what i mean

sideslip · Post by **sideslip** » Fri May 27, 2005 2:05 pm

Anybody know if they are going to paint the 328 the same colors as the 1900's? Hope so.

swede · Post by **swede** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:33 pm

probly, eventually

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Sat May 28, 2005 6:07 am

flyboeing wrote:I guess the pilots are snagging every little thing.

Sounds like something an annoyed manager might say to lay blame. Are the pilots doing their jobs?

swede · Post by **swede** » Mon May 30, 2005 7:45 pm

Apparently someone forgot to chock one of the 1900s in YYC maint the other day and it sort of rolled into the Dornier. Apparently it sort of did some damage, there will be some sort of a memo out shortly..

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Tue May 31, 2005 4:50 pm

I heard the pilot forgot to set the parking brake too.....OOPS! a costly mistake!

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:19 pm

You set the park brake - mtc gets pissed when they try to move it. You dont set the brake - its your fault mtc let it roll away.

captain_v1.0 · Post by **captain_v1.0** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:38 pm

Either way I guess it was a pretty costly foul up for them, a friends who's with them said the tabs going to run about $240k, apparently there was some engine damage too.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:46 pm

lol......hey spruce, i beleive most companyies have it in their SOPs or its a comapny rule to ALWAYS set the parking brake when leaving your plane, especially if your done with it for the day.....?????? Its a ticking time bomb??? would you park your standard car on a hill and not set the parking brake????

...well maybe you would but not me. And if you don't set the parking brake why would you blame maint. for letting it roll, you didn't chock it or set the brake=your fault, don't be lazy.....walk back and put chocks on it?????

it clueless/careless guys like you that cause accidents like this and then try to balme it on ours.

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