Wraparound

[Wacko]

Can someone summarize in point form the issues outstanding with AC right now? Here's what I got so far:

- Pilots are divided over the mandatory retirement age
- AC retirement fund is... under-funded
- Employees are angry that while they have not seen a salary increase, the top management is getting large bonuses
- Pilots are concerned about the new low-cost airline which will undercut salaries
- Employees had their right to strike taken away by the Federal Government
- The pilot union has divided into 2 schools of though about how things should run

Anything else that I'm missing? Anything I noted so far that's incorrect?

TIA

[Lost in Saigon]

Can someone summarize in point form the issues outstanding with AC right now? Here's what I got so far:

- Pilots are divided over the mandatory retirement age
- AC retirement fund is... under-funded
- Employees are angry that while they have not seen a salary increase, the top management is getting large bonuses
- Pilots are concerned about the new low-cost airline which will undercut salaries
- Employees had their right to strike taken away by the Federal Government
- The pilot union has divided into 2 schools of though about how things should run

Anything else that I'm missing? Anything I noted so far that's incorrect?

TIA

"The pilot union has divided into 2 schools of though about how things should run"

Incorrect. There is only one school of thought. The majority of pilots are still %100 behind the current leadership.

- Pilots are also VERY concerned that Air Canada wants to abandon the current ACPA duty day regs for the proposed LCC, and instead wants to revert back to Canadian Air Regs Duty Days which are the laughing stock of the airline world.

Almost every airline in the world operates with 3 pilots over the Atlantic while Air Canada only uses 2. Air Canada want to further relax the rules so that 2 pilots can fly farther and be on duty longer.

In light of the report that was just released you just have to shake your head.

[hnl]

"The pilot union has divided into 2 schools of though about how things should run"

Incorrect. There is only one school of thought. The majority of pilots are still %100 behind the current leadership."


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[Lost in Saigon]

Yes, really. What leads you to believe otherwise?

[rudder]

Can someone summarize in point form the issues outstanding with AC right now? Here's what I got so far:

- Pilots are divided over the mandatory retirement age
- AC retirement fund is... under-funded
- Employees are angry that while they have not seen a salary increase, the top management is getting large bonuses
- Pilots are concerned about the new low-cost airline which will undercut salaries
- Employees had their right to strike taken away by the Federal Government
- The pilot union has divided into 2 schools of though about how things should run

Anything else that I'm missing? Anything I noted so far that's incorrect?

TIA

You forgot one.

-The pilots union has maneuvered itself into a position where an arbitrator will determine its wages, work rules, pension, retirement policy, and scope.

[Wacko]

Ok so assuming these are the main points of issue and I'm sure some of the issues overlap but:

1. Other than the fact that you might have never have a chance at an upgrade to the left seat, what is the issue with pilots flying past 60? Medical issues aside, people do die at 40.

2. With the apparently common knowledge that the golden egg at the end of the rainbow will be no-more, what are some solutions to this issue? Which side is suggesting what?

3. Salary issues I will leave aside for now

4. From my ignorant side of the table, it seems that the low-cost airline is going after Jazz more than anything. I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible in my post here but it seems to me like poor business sense to charter an aircraft which may fly at 10% capacity while still paying the same rate for the aircraft. Pilot salaries at the new venture aside, does it not make sense to have a competitor to Jazz? (Please Jazz ppl... don't hurt me... I am just trying to understand!). e.g. if the salaries at the new regional were that of Jazz, would there be less or any opposition to the venture?

5. Will address the forced to work thing in the next Federal election.

6. What exactly are the 2 schools of though with regards to the pilot union? Regardless of percentage of support (if any) what are the ideas being floated around?

7. With the union in the current position as per "rudder's" comments, are the unions days numbered? What is their next step?

Please try to answer the questions if you can... there's no need for more back and forth between users. I just want to compile a side A vs. side B type post so I, and probably others on this forum can actually understand what's going on.

Thanks again!

[BTyyj]

Ok so assuming these are the main points of issue and I'm sure some of the issues overlap but:
4. From my ignorant side of the table, it seems that the low-cost airline is going after Jazz more than anything. I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible in my post here but it seems to me like poor business sense to charter an aircraft which may fly at 10% capacity while still paying the same rate for the aircraft. Pilot salaries at the new venture aside, does it not make sense to have a competitor to Jazz? (Please Jazz ppl... don't hurt me... I am just trying to understand!). e.g. if the salaries at the new regional were that of Jazz, would there be less or any opposition to the venture?

Look at the US. They have RJ skippers making less that forty thousand and B1900D F/Os starting at $13 500.

In this industry it seems, increased competition isn't a good thing for pilots. It usually comes with lower salaries and worse working conditions.

Sky Regional will be paying their pilots less than Jazz, quite a bit less as I understand it. Its a race to the bottom from there.

[Wacko]

True.