Scanner on Board Flight

[wan2fly99]

Doing a Toronto - Vancouver flight this September.

Do you think that the airline (AC) would allow to turn on my little scanner while flying? At least try to pick up the ATC

Hate just sitting there nowadays

Any comments or anybody has done it please let me know

Thanks

[Bede]

I believe scanners, transceivers, etc are prohibited from use at all times during the flight. Unless of course you don't get caught. As long as you don't call the flight deck from 12B and ask to send the FA back with drinks, the FA's will be polite when they ask you to shut it off.

[MrWings]

United Airlines had the ATC channel on their in-flight radio. But the last couple of times I flew with them it was still listed in the magazine but non-operational. Are they still using it?

[Rockie]

Do you think that the airline (AC) would allow to turn on my little scanner while flying?

Not permitted. All electronic transmitting and receiving functions must be turned off.

If you have a scanner though you undoubtedly listen to it when you're not in an airplane, and LiveATC gives you live stream from many ATC units over the web. On your flight enjoy the movies instead....

[wan2fly99]

Thanks for the responses


That is what I thought


I hate flying
Before 9/11 use to be able to go into the cockpit the crew would let me go . Now heavens forbid

I Hate flying
I Hate flying

I think will order 4 brandy's and fall asleep

[Nark]

United Airlines had the ATC channel on their in-flight radio. But the last couple of times I flew with them it was still listed in the magazine but non-operational. Are they still using it?

It's at the captains discretion. Ask an FA, they'll usually turn it in for you.
Not sure the Continental birds have that function.

[Beefitarian]

I hate flying
Before 9/11 use to be able to go into the cockpit the crew would let me go . Now heavens forbid

yeah, makes me sad. That's worse than them grabbing my junk and trying to zap me with x-rays. Oh well, I sort of get it.

[Go Juice]

It's easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.

[trey kule]

" It's easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission "

A shining example of the prevalent attitude of so called aviation professionals and what is wrong with our industry today.

They make announcements for your safety. They put briefing cards in the pockets..But somehow you have convinced yourself that none of this applies to you, and it if does, well...just ignore it and ask for forgiveness. You are special.

The announcements are pretty clear and unequivical if you bother to listen. I have come to realize that the cell phone connection is so important to most people that they simply will not voluntarily abide by instructions to turn them off and not turn them on until they are supposed to...but now a scanner?

My rant for the day.

[Genetk44]

Ok...i always follow the instructions to turn off electronics,cell phones etc. I have 2 questions.....how do all these various items affect the aircraft....especially as they all seem to have to be off for take-off and landing but then certain items can be turned on after the seat-belt light is turned off. The one that really mystified me was having to tun off my kindle. Can anybody explain how and what these various electronic items affect?

[omgwereallgoingtodie]

bit of a confession
last flying lesson, kept hearing an irritating noise in my headset (other than my instructor pointing out my mistakes ) I put it down to the fact that one of the planes I fly often has a staticky radio connection.

Turns out I had left my bluetooth headphones from my Iphone switched on in my flight bag. What I could hear was them polling my Iphone every so often.

Won't be doing that again. It brought it home to me that a little thing can have a noticeable effect.

[SAR_YQQ]

A scanner will do absolutely no harm to an aircraft in flight. Neither will a cell phone. It's just something that the airlines have jumped on and blown out of proportion. The latest direction to flight crew is that such portable phones may be used in flight, at the discretion of the AC. Don't expect to see this on the airlines any time soon.

You are not permitted to use any electronics for take off and landing - in the fear that you might miss a necessary broadcast by the FAs. Once in flight, you can pull out your iPod and put in the earphones. If you put in earphones attached to a scanner, that's your prerogative. Just be prepared to explain what/why you are carrying to the CATSA bubbas.

[trey kule]

Rats...you let out the secret...Now we will have 97% of the pax screaming into their cellphones while we fly..And the discomfort is minor compared to the necessary requirement for everyone to keep in instantaneous contact with everyone they ever knew, and of course share it with us by talking in a loud voice.
After all, it is absolutely important to call someone every two minutes to update them on your day's activity.."Yep,,still sitting in the plane . Dinner is coming..Probably something boring..What have you been up to in the last ten minutes since we last talked?

[Colonel Sanders]

it is absolutely important to call someone every two minutes to update them on your day's activity

I think you just re-invented twitter!

[trey kule]

Do they call it twitter because it is for twits?

[Genetk44]

Well I turn my cell off completely for the flight and if they ever allow passengers to use their phones for phone calls during the actual flight I'll know I've been sent to hell. But my Kindle has no headphones...it's just a book...so that's why I was wondering about them always wanting me to turn it off for landing and take-off. I always assumed the laptops,kindles cell phones etc messed up the ac radios or nav equipment.

[True North]

A scanner will do absolutely no harm to an aircraft in flight. Neither will a cell phone. It's just something that the airlines have jumped on and blown out of proportion.

Not quite. It's the regulators, not the airlines. The airlines would love to allow cell phone use, it would make life so much simpler for the flight attendants but it is forbidden by regulation. Several airlines that I know of are working on it so it is just a matter of time.

[Meatservo]

I've been a little annoyed by the E-book thing myself, and thought the same thing: "It's just a book". But upon reflection I realise that some "E-books" have the ability to use the internet to download material, and as such are transmitter/recievers. It would be ridiculous to expect it to be reasonable for an FA to check yours to make sure it's "just a book", so they want it off.

The thing is, once you're on a plane, you're not a "customer"...you're a passenger. You have to do what you're told, or else. That's why I turn my book and my phone off, because the crew wants me to and I am not in a legal position to argue.

[Genetk44]

I agree Meatservo.....I'm just curious about how and what gets interferred with. I don't have a problem about turning the stuff off....and would never argue about it.....well I have argued..with other passengers who kept using their cell to text while we were about to takeoff.

[ahramin]

SAR_YQQ, the crusade against mobile phones in aircraft comes from Transport Canada, not the airlines. TC sets the rules and the airlines think they have no choice but to enforce them.

[Lost Lake]

I have the phone on in the cockpit all the time. For those of you who don't know, cell towers do not aim into the sky. Good luck getting a signal above 6,000 ft. Cockpit sensitive electronics: GPS, wrong cell frequencies, Comm and Nav radios, wrong cell frequencies, Flap switch, wrong frequencies.

Since I'm not well liked, I don't get many calls anytime, let alone in flight. Might also have something to do with flying north of 60. I use a sennheiser noise cancelling headset when flying on the airlines. I feel pretty confident that I will notice the g factor, the unusual attitude and my fellow passengers screaming in the event there is a problem. I'd rather hear some good music in my last seconds instead of the pax.

Typical transport canada overkill bullshit. I might add I always fly in airplane mode on my cell. Add that to the CATSA crap, and flying is just no fun any more (unless your the guy driving)

[200hr Wonder]

Well this is what the AIM has to say about:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... b-2549.htm

They reference, this in CARs:

Portable Electronic Devices

602.08 (1) No operator of an aircraft shall permit the use of a portable electronic device on board an aircraft, where the device may impair the functioning of the aircraft's systems or equipment.

(2) No person shall use a portable electronic device on board an aircraft except with the permission of the operator of the aircraft.

However the AIM says:

The onus for determining if passenger-operated electronic
devices will cause interference is placed on the operator of the
aircraft because there are no airworthiness standards for the
manufacture of passenger-operated devices, no maintenance
standards and no performance standards in relation to their
use on an aircraft. It is therefore the responsibility of the
operator of the aircraft and/or the pilot to determine if these
devices cause interference.

So what it comes down to is if the Airline could prove that no harm to the aircraft systems was possible then they could allow it, however it is just easier for them to say no.

[Nark]

I'm allowed to use my kindle in all phases of flight as a pilot. Yet I move back 15 feet and fly as a passenger I can't use it. Which is exceptionally annoying since wearing eppalletes is an invatation to wake you from a nap and ask you everything under the sun about flying.

Word on the street is that the regulator is going to allow certain tablets for use.

[stepwilk]

"Ok...i always follow the instructions to turn off electronics,cell phones etc. I have 2 questions.....how do all these various items affect the aircraft....especially as they all seem to have to be off for take-off and landing but then certain items can be turned on after the seat-belt light is turned off. The one that really mystified me was having to tun off my kindle. Can anybody explain how and what these various electronic items affect?"

The whole business of their "affecting the aircraft" is a subterfuge. The real reason--and it's a good one--that the airlines want you to turn off games, headsets, e-readers and the like is that they want you paying attention, in a sense, during the climb-out and descent portions of a flight. Not so much so you can hear the standard safety briefing but so that you're at least minimally attentive and not lost on a Bose-y haze if the FAs need to get your attention fast, in a situation where they don't have time to go from seat to seat rousing the gamers and laptop users. Any honest and intelligent FA will tell you that, if he/she wants to.

[helicopterray]

I spoke to an engineer with Bombardier who does flight validation testing for avionics on aircraft, and he confirms the statement by the poster above.

They want you to turn it off and pay attention to the briefing.

All electrical transmitters and receivers are certified for use within certain frequency ranges. Aircraft equipment is certified in a different frequency range than commercial electronics. There won't be interference. But shut it off and pay attention.