Looks like there's some movement going on. Anyone know what they're looking for hour wise for the 200 F/O? Any word on whether there's a training bond? Google was not my friend

For hour requirements your best bet is to look at the Contrail requirements posted on here.


Bonds for 1900 and 200 are 1 year or $12000 and Dash 8 is 2 years or $24000.

12k?!? crazy

whiteguy wrote:For hour requirements your best bet is to look at the Contrail requirements posted on here.


Bonds for 1900 and 200 are 1 year or $12000 and Dash 8 is 2 years or $24000.

I took a look at them. Unfamiliar with them though, don't really know how to read them.

$12,000 for one year is pretty damn high though.

Well, considering you could sign up for close to $30 000/2 years at Sunwest for a 1900 i'd say it's not.

High Flyin wrote:

whiteguy wrote:For hour requirements your best bet is to look at the Contrail requirements posted on here.


Bonds for 1900 and 200 are 1 year or $12000 and Dash 8 is 2 years or $24000.

I took a look at them. Unfamiliar with them though, don't really know how to read them.

$12,000 for one year is pretty damn high though.

Pretty much standard for all similar operators on the field, but things will need to change soon. I hear Contrails is being reviewed. Hard to find and keep experienced drivers. The oil field will be tripling production by this time next year, and lots of guys will be jumping ship for WJ Encore despite holding bonds. I hope certain oil companies will start their own aviation departments and start paying wages and offering schedules that keep people around. Experience is going to go down, and incidents will go up.

Any idea what the pay is for king air FO's there? Do they hire FO's onto the king air from outside, or is that the kind of position that goes to a dispatcher? Also I noticed the close date on these positions is February, are they just assuming they're going to need guys for all these planes and pre empting the hiring process?

Marinth wrote:Any idea what the pay is for king air FO's there? Do they hire FO's onto the king air from outside, or is that the kind of position that goes to a dispatcher? Also I noticed the close date on these positions is February, are they just assuming they're going to need guys for all these planes and pre empting the hiring process?

I'm inferring that based on the fact they posted an ad, it's a direct entry F/O gig. Looks interesting though. Don't know much about the company though.

Bonds? And they're looking for one of everything? Wonder why?

Toss the bonds. Pay them well. Treat them well. They'll stay. NCA, you've been around long enough to figure this out.

calgaryguy wrote: I hear Contrails is being reviewed.

Who are you hearing this from?

Wacko wrote:

calgaryguy wrote: I hear Contrails is being reviewed.

Who are you hearing this from?

The rumour mill.

Doc wrote:Bonds? And they're looking for one of everything? Wonder why?

Its mostly due to internal promotions and fleet expansion.

High Flyin wrote:

whiteguy wrote:For hour requirements your best bet is to look at the Contrail requirements posted on here.


Bonds for 1900 and 200 are 1 year or $12000 and Dash 8 is 2 years or $24000.

I took a look at them. Unfamiliar with them though, don't really know how to read them.

$12,000 for one year is pretty damn high though.

really?? damn high?? how would you know? let see, fuel alone for lets say 5 hours of training at about 400 liters per hour in the BE20 is 2000 liters at what buck fifty a liter? so there is 3000 in fuel alone, what does it cost to pay the Training Captain? 250 a day maybe? for 4 days-ish? what about ground school? what does that cost? what does the Aircraft cost to run per hour for maintenance, insurance and lease/ownership? what does a ride cost? again the fuel, Captain, insurance, etc plus the examiner.

12000, sounds about like what it would cost to train you, a year bond? well hey that'show long that training is good for isn't it?
Not saying a I like or agree with bonds but this does not sound like it is Damn High.
you have no idea what you are talking about.

AJV wrote:

High Flyin wrote:

whiteguy wrote:For hour requirements your best bet is to look at the Contrail requirements posted on here.


Bonds for 1900 and 200 are 1 year or $12000 and Dash 8 is 2 years or $24000.

I took a look at them. Unfamiliar with them though, don't really know how to read them.

$12,000 for one year is pretty damn high though.

really?? damn high?? how would you know? let see, fuel alone for lets say 5 hours of training at about 400 liters per hour in the BE20 is 2000 liters at what buck fifty a liter? so there is 3000 in fuel alone, what does it cost to pay the Training Captain? 250 a day maybe? for 4 days-ish? what about ground school? what does that cost? what does the Aircraft cost to run per hour for maintenance, insurance and lease/ownership? what does a ride cost? again the fuel, Captain, insurance, etc plus the examiner.

12000, sounds about like what it would cost to train you, a year bond? well hey that'show long that training is good for isn't it?
Not saying a I like or agree with bonds but this does not sound like it is Damn High.
you have no idea what you are talking about.

All training is done in the sim! No on wing training.

Would be nice to know more about the WAWCON, anyone?
Also heard the flying hours is pretty uneven. Do the guys on the medevac in Fort Saint John manage to grab a seat in YYC or they have to finish their bond first? Since it's a non-unionized company how does this attrition-upgrade stuff work? Seems like a very good company to work for, bet they'll get hundreds of resumes in no time.

AJV wrote:

High Flyin wrote:

whiteguy wrote:For hour requirements your best bet is to look at the Contrail requirements posted on here.


Bonds for 1900 and 200 are 1 year or $12000 and Dash 8 is 2 years or $24000.

I took a look at them. Unfamiliar with them though, don't really know how to read them.

$12,000 for one year is pretty damn high though.

really?? damn high?? how would you know? let see, fuel alone for lets say 5 hours of training at about 400 liters per hour in the BE20 is 2000 liters at what buck fifty a liter? so there is 3000 in fuel alone, what does it cost to pay the Training Captain? 250 a day maybe? for 4 days-ish? what about ground school? what does that cost? what does the Aircraft cost to run per hour for maintenance, insurance and lease/ownership? what does a ride cost? again the fuel, Captain, insurance, etc plus the examiner.

12000, sounds about like what it would cost to train you, a year bond? well hey that'show long that training is good for isn't it?
Not saying a I like or agree with bonds but this does not sound like it is Damn High.
you have no idea what you are talking about.

You need to relax guy. You'll longer and healthier. I was more eluding to what Doc was saying, scrap the bonds entirely.

Your numbers don't add up BTW. Even if that's what it cost, it only comes up to around 6-7,000. Sounds like they'd still make a buck off ya.

Anyone know what they pay 1900 captains and if they pay more if someone comes in with a current PPC?

We need the company pay scale here Anyone?

flying4dollars wrote:Anyone know what they pay 1900 captains and if they pay more if someone comes in with a current PPC?

Not sure about payscale but you start at level 1 regardless of PPC and experience. Pay is adjusted in first year level depending on qualification (based on Contrail for the most part). I believe it is about 68K at the highest Level 1 rate.

Cisbour - there are very few that stay in Fort St. John. It is generally the case that a pilot there may bid for another base, dependent on employment conditions and company requirements.

A candidate in Fort St. John may be frozen on base and/or type for the duration of their bond. "May" is the key word. Some have been there are short as 6 months, but most usually about a year or so.

If you plan on staying at least a year, who gives a crap about it being 12k? If you research a company and accept an offer, staying a year should be a minimum. Bonds are an evil necessity.

Idiots.

angry

Thanks for the info FlyBabe. I'd tell anyone to give Cariboo a good hard look if they were interested. I think it'd be a great gig, especially if you're from Alberta.

learcapt wrote:If you plan on staying at least a year, who gives a crap about it being 12k? If you research a company and accept an offer, staying a year should be a minimum. Bonds are an evil necessity.

Idiots.

If you're staying a year anyway, why the bond at all? They'r only an "evil necessity" because folks like you are dumb enough to keep signing them.
Idiot!

Doc wrote:

learcapt wrote:If you plan on staying at least a year, who gives a crap about it being 12k? If you research a company and accept an offer, staying a year should be a minimum. Bonds are an evil necessity.

Idiots.

If you're staying a year anyway, why the bond at all? They'r only an "evil necessity" because folks like you are dumb enough to keep signing them.
Idiot!

Doc,

At Canadian North there have long been no bonds at all, but that will shortly be changing. Why? Not because of people willing to sign them, but because recently we've had people accept aircraft changes, or upgrades and quit shortly thereafter, including one during his/her line check. Not a fan of bonds, but how as a company do you protect yourselves from pilots with not enough professional standards to not take training on a new type or position (at a considerable cost to a company) and leave weeks or days later?

If every pilot was professional enough to not take training unless they planned to stay a reasonable amount of time afterwards, then there would not be bonds. It's going the other way though, companies like 5T that didn't have bonds are going to implement them because pilots are acting the way they are.

What's wrong with this scenario is the companies that hire these throw-backs who leave right after training; they should be doing their due diligence and refusing to hire them. Shaming is what we need, a wall of shame on a website (not this one, they're too sensitive), both the pilots who commit this sh*t and the companies that hire them. Its unethical and its immoral and its screwing this "profession" (are there really more low-lifes and mother-stabbers in aviation or is it just my perception?).

I suppose I can answer my own question by saying that aviation is marginally better than construction in Montreal...

xsbank wrote:. Shaming is what we need, a wall of shame on a website (not this one, they're too sensitive), both the pilots who commit this sh*t and the companies that hire them. I.

That would be a great idea if it werent for the libel and slander laws in this country. BUT we still should be shaming those that do FO during or right after training.

I had someone I recommended do that.. and it REALLY set me off. Hence why I refuse to be a reference or recommend for anyone. Cant even trust your buddies in this stupid industry.