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My plane's sinking in the Hudson...

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I don't know, maybe it's just me... But if your plane is sinking in a river, isn't your first reaction to GET THE F--k OUT????

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/huds ... cfZcHydNhL
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Not the modern generation, evidently :roll: ....

Gotta consult the iPhone first for directions, bringing up the Google maps to make sure that they're going the right way, and then update Facebook...
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a new jersey corrections officer hmmmm maybe he should have given those drugs meant for the inmates away instead of taking them !!
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Has anyone heard the 911 call from the Toyota with the stuck accelerator pedal? 4 people on board, including an engineer, and instead of turning the car off or stepping on the brake they called 911 for help. 4 dead. Amazing how no one wants to do anything for themselves any more, including thinking.
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ahramin wrote:Has anyone heard the 911 call from the Toyota with the stuck accelerator pedal? 4 people on board, including an engineer, and instead of turning the car off or stepping on the brake they called 911 for help. 4 dead. Amazing how no one wants to do anything for themselves any more, including thinking.
Darwin lives... :prayer:
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Oh...let's stay with the plane and see what's on the river-bottom.
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I could even see staying in the plane (like the PC12 example above) if it wasn't sinking.... But this guy had to be told twice to get out because it WAS sinking. And his first call wasn't even for help? :shock:
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I'm pretty sure I'd be getting out but maybe they had the right idea.
Did the phone call lead to them dispatching the boat that fished them out?
The Hudson this time of year isn't exactly Waikiki beach people. How long before you are hypothermic? While I've heard it's a nice way to go...
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Beefitarian wrote:I'm pretty sure I'd be getting out but maybe they had the right idea.
Did the phone call lead to them dispatching the boat that fished them out?
The Hudson this time of year isn't exactly Waikiki beach people. How long before you are hypothermic? While I've heard it's a nice way to go...
I really hope they let someone know that their aircraft would be ditching in the Hudson before the 911 call. ATS could have dispatched emergency response much more efficiently than two people who should have been focused on leaving the aircraft.
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http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2 ... udson.html

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You know, before we all join in and burn this guy as bozo of the year,,,\
all pilots nowadays take PDM, CRM, HF, and all sorts of other courses which delve in to the psychology of how to be as safe as possible..
and yet...companies have to put in place a written policy and enforce it to have pilots turn off their cell phones before start up...What does that say about our understanding of human factors and the need to get on our phones?
I have seen pilots almost trip trying to walk out of the plane and read the texts that they received in the last few hours..Cant even wait a minute more....
Read the posts from pilots on this site. When there is an accident there is a huge rush to get pictures on their i phones and be the first to post and speculate..
Lets be honest.. This guy is not unique or in an exclusive club of stupids..
Perhaps we should all sit back for a minute and ask ourselves if there is anything that can be learned here about our addiction with communication with the world, and our ability to do our job well.
I would rant longer , but I have to go and post this on facebook, twitter all my friends to read it, and check out what Paris Hilton is up to....and I need a bit of time to speculate on this forum without knowing any facts at all.
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Good point trey kule.

On a side note, speaking about aircraft sinking down, I remember a "mother of all fear" story.
An underwater ejection done from an A-7 Corsair II, at night, after a mishap carrier landing :shock:
http://www.ejectionsite.com/eunderh2o.htm
The momentary stillness was soon shattered as the aircraft lunged forward. The worst had happened-the tailhook had "spit-out" the arresting cable. I was in deep, serious trouble and knew it. The plane tumbled off the flight deck and plunged downward some 60 feet prior to impacting the Pacific-the sensation was like falling into a black hole.

We had learned in survival training that a ditched aircraft normally sinks at about 10 feet per second, and after 100 feet, crew survival is highly unlikely. I figured I had about 10 seconds if I were going to get out of this mess alive. It appeared that only a miracle could save me now. I had just run out of altitude and airspeed, and was about out of ideas, too.

The ejection seat seemed the only chance
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In a day and age where a show like "Honey Boo Boo" is #1, is it really any surprise that things like this happen?

Cat Driver often refers to the "dumbing down" of aviation over the past 5 decades and he is right. The thing is that its not exclusive to aviation, its a general dumbing down of society as a whole.

PS...Good rant Trey Kule, it made alot of sense!

Fly safe all.
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Perhaps I'm young and naive here, let me know if I am, but did some of you who are condemning this person actually read the AOPA article and consider it? I see this a little differently...

At 1300', the ceiling of the uncontrolled airspace below the Class B, her engine fails. She puts it into best glide, devises a plan, makes a quick call on the CFA and asks other pilots to relay the emergency to ATC, and suddenly she is landing in the Hudson. She also flies the RJ for Mesa Airlines, has float time and glider time - all of which came in handy as she managed to touch down in the Hudson at night in such a way that the airframe stayed intact enough to float for 5 minutes. Keep in mind this is January, New York City, at night, Hudson River....COLD! So, they call 911, tell the dispatcher where they are and what has happened...and then, when the plane is starting to sink, they exit the airplane, and are soon met by rescuers.

I fail to see the Darwinism here. Would they have been better off to just jump out of the still floating airplane into the icy water immediately without knowing that anybody is aware of there being a ditched airplane in the Hudson and hope that they can make it to shore and hope that help is available when they get there?

Seems to me that given how little time there was to act, it was handled very well indeed.
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The one's who swim for it always drown.
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Another typical day on avcanada. Hack and slash without the proper info. Armchair pilot FAIL.
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