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Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:31 am
by Gilles Hudicourt
This Video was put on line today. An English version will be posted soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPNi5gpx ... e=youtu.be
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:44 am
by IflyaSewerpipe
Merci Robert et merci Gilles!
Keep up the good fight.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:26 pm
by BE20 Driver
As much as I would like to pretend that I can speak French, I'd really love an English translation.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:36 pm
by sanjet
An english version will be coming by tonight from what I am told.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:32 pm
by whipline
My memory might be a bit hazy but is this the guy who opened the crossfeed?
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:01 pm
by crazy_aviator
It was one of them in the cockpit

A mistake, not the best mistake though, BUT what a helluva great outcome BRAVO !!
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:37 pm
by learcapt
Don't minimize what a grave mistake that was...they were very lucky with the outcome..for some reason, especially in QC this guy is some sort of a hero. Crazy
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:49 pm
by crazy_aviator
Let us be reminded that the swiss cheeze model STARTED in the Hangar where an AME installed a wrong PN fuel pump ( not a hard thing to do , just look at some AD s in the old days) The pilots were PART of a chain that did NOT start with them BUT could have finished with them, but it didnt,they ADDED another layer onto the cheese, however, the ending was very favourable HENSE my positive reply

Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:56 pm
by crazy_aviator
Learcapt, lets hypothesize,,What IF the Airbus A-380 with the uncontained engine failure, FAILED in flight during the LENGTHLY and EXTENSIVE period of resolving issues before the landing ? Would they be considered failures for taking tooo long to land? They are considered heroes now for landing safely

Primarily as an AME , im well aware of many pilots fascination with troubleshooting without a full deck of cards, so to speak.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:47 am
by av8tor_assrope
learcapt wrote:Don't minimize what a grave mistake that was...they were very lucky with the outcome..for some reason, especially in QC this guy is some sort of a hero. Crazy
+1.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:32 pm
by fasken
imagine what a field day Gilles would have if that happened on a Sunwing plane with a foreign crew
hypocracy
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:07 pm
by TFTMB heavy
Stick to the subject people.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:30 pm
by Benito
These guys are standing up in a fight to keep their jobs, my job, your job in this country and the most brilliant thing some of you guys do is bringing back an old and well discussed situation that have nothing to do about it... Seriously??? So stupid...
Keep on the good work Gilles and Robert!
Ben
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:57 pm
by JohnnyHotRocks
Benito wrote:These guys are standing up in a fight to keep their jobs, my job, your job in this country and the most brilliant thing some of you guys do is bringing back an old and well discussed situation that have nothing to do about it... Seriously??? So stupid...
Keep on the good work Gilles and Robert!
Ben
Well said!
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:13 pm
by Scuba_Steve
Benito wrote:These guys are standing up in a fight to keep their jobs, my job, your job in this country and the most brilliant thing some of you guys do is bringing back an old and well discussed situation that have nothing to do about it... Seriously??? So stupid...
Keep on the good work Gilles and Robert!
Ben
+1
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:35 am
by 24Left
Listening to this FRENCH ONLY one might think it's coming from a Foreign Pilot. English is the aviation language of the world so if you want the support of CANADIANS you might want to start with a video in both languages.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:57 am
by TG
24Left wrote:Listening to this FRENCH ONLY one might think it's coming from a Foreign Pilot. English is the aviation language of the world so if you want the support of CANADIANS you might want to start with a video in both languages.
Unbelievable.....
How about learning to read it first:
An English version will be posted soon.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:11 am
by 24Left
TG wrote:24Left wrote:Listening to this FRENCH ONLY one might think it's coming from a Foreign Pilot. English is the aviation language of the world so if you want the support of CANADIANS you might want to start with a video in both languages.
Unbelievable.....
How about learning to read it first:
An English version will be posted soon.
How about you learning to understand the point I made? This orginal version should be in the international language of Aviation. Piche can speak English. This French only sends the message loud and clear. Placate the French only and screw the rest of the rest of us.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:11 am
by TG
24Left wrote:
How about you learning to understand the point I made? This orginal version should be in the international language of Aviation. Piche can speak English. This French only sends the message loud and clear. Placate the French only and screw the rest of the rest of us.
Canada is a Bilingual country and as said, an English version will follow.
At list Mr Pichet is doing something about foreign workers and so do Gilles.
How about doing your own You Tube video if you think the English version is not coming fast enough.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:18 am
by ea306
A combined English French video would be appreciated to reach the entire Canadian audience.
Just a suggestion.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:19 pm
by Gilles Hudicourt
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:04 pm
by ajet32
Gilles and Robert thanks you for all the time and work you have put into this issue. As a former employee of one of the major users of this program I would love to see it stop. Continue the good work.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:05 pm
by +RA
Excuse my ignorance, as I am an outsider in this situation, but why does it matter that Sunwing made a profit in the last year? Whether they are in the red or in the black should not dictate whether they should be able to hire foreign workers to operate these aircraft, when there are plenty of qualified Canadian workers available to do that given job. Image if all other industries were given that opportunity?
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:43 am
by green bastard
Excellent videos.

Thanks for the hard work and effort and keep up the pressure.
Re: Captain Robert Piché joins the fight
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:48 am
by Gilles Hudicourt
RealHigh wrote:Excuse my ignorance, as I am an outsider in this situation, but why does it matter that Sunwing made a profit in the last year? Whether they are in the red or in the black should not dictate whether they should be able to hire foreign workers to operate these aircraft, when there are plenty of qualified Canadian workers available to do that given job. Image if all other industries were given that opportunity?
It does not matter, it should not matter, you are correct. The reason it is being underlined here is the following:
The TFWP is meant to be available to companies who can demonstrate that there is a shortage of labour and that they have made a real effort to recruit or train Canadian labour.
Sunwing's argument to HRSDC and which HRSDC bought hook,sink and tackle, is that it would be unreasonable for them to be expected to have to hire and train the 119 foreign pilots that were brought in under this program, not because they could not be hired and trained, but because it would not be cost effective for them to have to hire and train 119 pilots at a cost of $40,000 each because these pilots were not needed year-round but only seasonally and would likely leave and not be available to them the following season. The relief was nevertheless provided by HRSDC which provided Sunwing to gain a commercial advantage over the completion on the backs of Canadian pilots and at the expense of the Canadian tax payer. The LMOs were in fact a form of government subsidy offered to Sunwing.
To reply to that argument and for that reason alone I explained that even even if they had been forced to hire and train those 119 Canadian pilots each year instead of being allowed to hire foreigners, they still would have made a very significant profit, which negates their argument that they should be given relief from the hiring and training requirement for such a reason.