Transat to use Foreign Pilots

[Flytoy]

Transat indirectly uses foreign pilots already. They fly Transat pax on Canjet who employ EU pilots while they lay off their own.


http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/transat-coul ... -1.1224781

[Gilles Hudicourt]

How about this toyfly?

Exit.ca (http://www.exitnow.ca/) an on-line travel web-site which belongs to Transat, sells packages on Sunwing which uses foreign crews. So in fact, Transat is not just directly responsible for the 32 foreign pilots at Canjet but is also responsible for the 200+ foreign pilots at Sunwing. So Transat, not Canjet or Sunwing, is actually the biggest abuser of foreign pilots in Canada.

[24Left]

Air Transat wont survive. Too much competition and that includes Rouge.

[CMD-A]

I must agree with 24L.
This and next summer will be a real blood bath between TS and AC.
On the other note,
I agree with all your posts 24L and good on you to have guts to stand up to gill

//Irrelevant Anti-French sentiment removed by Sulako. Play nice.

[ea306]

I personally think Air Transat can survive and be profitable also. But they will have to find a better way of doing business.

As was pointed out by OP, even if you remove the cost of type rating every Tom Dick and Harry in Canada from the Sunwing profits... There is still a 110M+ differential between Sunwing and AT.

Air Transat will have to realign more towards a Sunwing model to get their house in order. The balance will need to be found somewhere in between so that our employers can be profitable and we all can have stable long term careers....here in Canada thank you.

[TG]

Good on Gilles to have guts to stand up against SW practices and foreign workers .

Here, I made some corrections on your quote.
Fight the good fight, don't get side tracked by intolerance.

[confusedalot]

Exit.ca (http://www.exitnow.ca/) an on-line travel web-site which belongs to Transat, sells packages on Sunwing which uses foreign crews. So in fact, Transat is not just directly responsible for the 32 foreign pilots at Canjet but is also responsible for the 200+ foreign pilots at Sunwing. So Transat, not Canjet or Sunwing, is actually the biggest abuser of foreign pilots in Canada.


Selling the competitors product is an interesting strategy to say the least. Can anyone explain the net benefit?

[Flytoy]

Sunwing may have many EU pilots flying here in the winter but we are not laying off Sunwing Pilots while the EU pilots fly our pax. Like Transat. Every Sunwing Pilot will be flying in Europe this summer as part of their reciprocal program. Furthermore Most of the EU pilots flying for Sunwing in the winter are from TUI and Thompson who is owned by TUI which also owns 49 % of Sunwing. Kind of the same company.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Like Transat. Every Sunwing Pilot will be flying in Europe this summer as part of their reciprocal program. Furthermore Most of the EU pilots flying for Sunwing in the winter are from TUI and Thompson who is owned by TUI which also owns 49 % of Sunwing. Kind of the same company.

I suggest you check with your boss. He paid top dollar to lawyers to successfully demonstrate just the opposite to the CTA after Transat had alledged exactly what you write here.

I need more opponenents like you. You must be a new hire.

[FICU]

Sunwing may have many EU pilots flying here in the winter but we are not laying off Sunwing Pilots while the EU pilots fly our pax. Like Transat. Every Sunwing Pilot will be flying in Europe this summer as part of their reciprocal program. Furthermore Most of the EU pilots flying for Sunwing in the winter are from TUI and Thompson who is owned by TUI which also owns 49 % of Sunwing. Kind of the same company.

I think we can agree that Sunwing is a European company controlled by TUI with 51% ownership by Canadian interests who are simply puppets so TUI can take advantage of the winter vacation market here.

[mantogasrsrwy]

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I think we can agree that Sunwing is a European company controlled by TUI with 51% ownership by Canadian interests who are simply puppets so TUI can take advantage of the winter vacation market here.[/quote]

I don't think we can agree with that at all. The CTA certainly doesn't agree with that.

[Flytoy]

Leave it to Hardupacourt to selectively copy only a portion of a quote make it out of context. Fact! Summer 2013 Every single Sunwing pilot will be flying in Europe some for more than one tour of duty. All Canadian winter contract pilots were offered full time employment with Sunwing and are now on the seniority list. A large class of new hires are in training right now and will be touring Europe this summer as well. Stop laying off Canadian pilots and using a second company to fly your pax! Check with your boss hes going to use EU pilots too. And if you look up your ass far enough it might done on you that this system of pilots going back and forth to Europe keeps the group employed year round so we can make our mortgage payments. No Layoffs! Face it Sunwing has a better model and transat is no longer number one. suck it Hardupacourt get a life or soon a new job!

[24Left]

Leave it to Hardupacourt to selectively copy only a portion of a quote make it out of context. Fact! Summer 2013 Every single Sunwing pilot will be flying in Europe some for more than one tour of duty. All Canadian winter contract pilots were offered full time employment with Sunwing and are now on the seniority list. A large class of new hires are in training right now and will be touring Europe this summer as well. Stop laying off Canadian pilots and using a second company to fly your pax! Check with your boss hes going to use EU pilots too. And if you look up your ass far enough it might done on you that this system of pilots going back and forth to Europe keeps the group employed year round so we can make our mortgage payments. No Layoffs! Face it Sunwing has a better model and transat is no longer number one. suck it Hardupacourt get a life or soon a new job!

Applause!

[mbav8r]

Gilles Hudicourt is a wide body Captain and as such deserves some respect, show some lowlife. Secondly, do you think any of these things you mentioned would be happening without Captain Hudicourt's efforts? If you think anything other than, Sunwing would have continued to abuse the system to the fullest extent without knowing it was coming to an abrupt halt, you're more stupid than I thought, after reading your posts.

Leave it to Hardupacourt to selectively copy only a portion of a quote make it out of context. Fact! Summer 2013 Every single Sunwing pilot will be flying in Europe some for more than one tour of duty. All Canadian winter contract pilots were offered full time employment with Sunwing and are now on the seniority list. A large class of new hires are in training right now and will be touring Europe this summer as well. Stop laying off Canadian pilots and using a second company to fly your pax! Check with your boss hes going to use EU pilots too. And if you look up your ass far enough it might done on you that this system of pilots going back and forth to Europe keeps the group employed year round so we can make our mortgage payments. No Layoffs! Face it Sunwing has a better model and transat is no longer number one. suck it Hardupacourt get a life or soon a new job!

[Scuba_Steve]

You can always tell Gilles has the Pro foreign pilot croud worried when they send the attack dogs after him....keep barking and slinging mud with the personal attacks, says a lot a that you can't counter him with facts and debate....

Here's an idea, perhaps the only reason Sunwing is hiring so much and sending so many to Europe is due to the fact that Gilles has been getting traction with the media and government....perhaps every. New hire at SW and every recent upgrade and every FO/CA who's schedule bidding power recently improved dramatically owes him a few beers...

Cheers

[Flytoy]

Wow hes a wide body captain. If you want to play who has flown the biggest jet or has more time game then for the record I Have flown and been Typed on Foker 100, MD83, Boeing 757 / Boeing 767, Boeing 737-800, and Boeing 747-400. Captain on 3 of them. My 14000 + hours of which 10,000+ are PIC. That then also should get some respect. Who is the low life now? Hudicourt gets no respect from me. He has a one sided addenda to smear Sunwing trying to save transat. Why is his roster blank? Why is he not flying? Babbling on and on about its only takes 5 weeks to train a pilot. Does not talk about the cost of Training, Does not talk about requirements needed before doing a 5-6 week jet course, Does not talk about possible lay offs in the summer then companies have to retrain another pilot because they went elsewhere to pay the bills. We all want and need year round employment. This is a global industry and Sunwing has found a way to keep sunwing pilots employed year round and grow. Sunwing has hired more Canadian pilots and I am quite certain they will hire more.

Who is they scuba? No one sent me. Attack dog ha! I like it. Maybe its transat management who sent Hardicourt to attack Sunwing is that why he is not flying? No one owes him anything we are expanding in Europe and the US. Expansion means more pilots simple.

[Flytoy]

Just a thought. Maybe Hardicourt should turn his energy into making transat a profitable company again. That way they wont flood the market with experienced jet drivers which will jump ahead of all the turbo prop guys trying to get up the ladder. Not sure who all the resume's will go to? Sunwing maybe? To be honest I don't want to see transat fail. Because I have been through two airline bankruptcy's and it sucks. We all have to put a roof over our heads and look after our family's. When Hardcourt takes aim at my place of employment and smears it I am going to respond. I was a float driver , turbo prop driver and paid my dues to. So all you Hardicourt supporters think about where your resumes are going to go to: transat a failing company or Sunwing an expanding company? Put your hat in where you want but if I was in the turbo prop world I would not be counting on transat for a career. Not saying they will fail but I don't see them expanding. Maybe shink a bit.

[OPEC6-Heavy]

Scuba_Steve,

Here's an idea, perhaps the only reason Sunwing is hiring so much and sending so many to Europe is due to the fact that Gilles has been getting traction with the media and government....perhaps every. New hire at SW and every recent upgrade and every FO/CA who's schedule bidding power recently improved dramatically owes him a few beers...

Here's another idea, how about SWG has expanded from 2 airplanes to 30 airplanes in the last 7 years and has profited every year since. The fact that we are hiring is 100% to do with future expansion, Not Gilles Lol.

Gilles,
?????

I suggest you check with your boss. He paid top dollar to lawyers to successfully demonstrate just the opposite to the CTA after Transat had alledged exactly what you write here.
I need more opponenents like you. You must be a new hire.

Flytoy is correct, we are one in the same company (49% ownership). What does that have to do with the CTA discussion? CTA issue was to determine whether TUI was controlling SWG on decisions and deployment of assets in the Canadian market etc.. Was not the case, TUI has very little say in fact.

[FICU]

CTA issue was to determine whether TUI was controlling SWG on decisions and deployment of assets in the Canadian market etc.. Was not the case, TUI has very little say in fact.

Don't believe that for a second. Sunwing wouldn't exist if it wasn't for TUI wanting a big piece of the Canadian market and needing a place to dump their pilots and planes in the winter. If Sunwing is such a successful business then why isn't it 100% Canadian owned? It's 51% owned and will always be 51% owned because that is the minimum required.

[TG]

So all you Hudicourt supporters think about where your resumes are going to go to: transat a failing company or Sunwing an expanding company?

It would be nice to see Sunwing still expending...With only Canadian pilots on board.
Otherwise what is the point ? Expending with more foreign pilots, seeing this practice being extended elsewhere and lose even more Canadian's pilot jobs !?

Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm pitching in because:

perhaps the only reason Sunwing is hiring so much and sending so many to Europe is due to the fact that Gilles has been getting traction with the media and government....perhaps every. New hire at SW and every recent upgrade and every FO/CA who's schedule bidding power recently improved dramatically owes him a few beers...

Cheers

Cheers indeed..

[24Left]

Just a thought. Maybe Hardicourt should turn his energy into making transat a profitable company again. That way they wont flood the market with experienced jet drivers which will jump ahead of all the turbo prop guys trying to get up the ladder. Not sure who all the resume's will go to? Sunwing maybe? To be honest I don't want to see transat fail. Because I have been through two airline bankruptcy's and it sucks. We all have to put a roof over our heads and look after our family's. When Hardcourt takes aim at my place of employment and smears it I am going to respond. I was a float driver , turbo prop driver and paid my dues to. So all you Hardicourt supporters think about where your resumes are going to go to: transat a failing company or Sunwing an expanding company? Put your hat in where you want but if I was in the turbo prop world I would not be counting on transat for a career. Not saying they will fail but I don't see them expanding. Maybe shink a bit.

Well said Flytoy.

I won't be dissuaded by any of Hudicourts fan club or the sheep who willingly sent him the SWG and CanJet pay scales and union contracts. They should have paid more attention to company confidentiality because I have a good source at Air Transat who told me he marched all that stuff right into management. All you Canadian pilots who think he's going to get you off Twin Otters so you can by pass airlines hiring a foreign guy for season flying better re-think your career path.

If you don't want to be part of a group that hires foreign pilots or seasonal pilots then get your time and apply at Sky Regional, Porter, Encore and the likes of. They hire Canadians. And if do you apply at Air Transat be sure to send your resume in French. They give preference to French Canadians who reside in Quebec.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

By law all union contracts in Canada including Sunwing's, Canjet's and Air Transats' pilot contracts are not only public but are available on line to those who want to consult them. Hate to bust your bubble

[fullthrust]

Funny how Mr Hudicourt doesn't comment about the fact that he is being paid to do this, I mean
1- All the hours spent on this forum
2-All the research,access to information request
3- Media contact and Mp's

He is either on a sick leave, or on a LOA because holding a full sched , with the rest and all would be very unsafe to fly. So if the fact that he is on the roaster and not flying then he is paid by TS which means the fight for foreign pilots is total BS. If he would be fighting the true cause he would of mention on CBC that TS will be going that way too and they are against it but no word about it only mentioning SW about 25 times.

In my humble opinion , no company would agree to have an employee speak on national tv on behalf of them without permission, his true purpose was evident, the way he approached the foreign pilot issue on CBC was a total failure and was viewed as a total SWG bashing.

If he is indeed paid to openly bash the competition I really hope for him that TS has good lawers for him.

Mr Hudicourt is not fighting the right fight.

Flytoy+ 1000

[Agent Orange]

Why is his roster blank? Why is he not flying?


I'd like to know the answer to that as well.

So let's here it Captain wide body Gill!!!

[Scuba_Steve]

By law all union contracts in Canada including Sunwing's, Canjet's and Air Transats' pilot contracts are not only public but are available on line to those who want to consult them. Hate to bust your bubble

That and Gilles has personally posted the TS narrow body pay scale.....the wide body one is readily available online, just like AC's, Jazz, WJ, Encore, SR, Porter, Bearskin, Canadian North, First Air.......

Seeing a pattern?

Cheers

P.s. - The new SW pay scale is very impressive, kudos to your negotiating team...