Dissapointed

[sheephunter]

Had my job posting yanked. I guess I should have posted it as: Ramp, possible hours on 180 / amphib. and float/bush endorsement... no grass cutting or window washing but need to know you way around a kitchen. Thanks for those that got in touch. I'm sure that I am going to get one of you and feel bad that the ad didn't last more than a day so the others that might be interested could get some info to me. Just saying.

[azimuthaviation]

disappointed*

How much does such a position pay?

[sheephunter]

I PM'd you the info. Anyone esle like to contact me, hinorth@vianet.ca

[Blakey]

Very strange that the ad should be yanked. It was VERY clearly not a job listing for a pilot. You can advertize for a DOM, an AME, a dockhand, or a rampie but not for a cook? Why not?

[jeta1]

Having not seen the original posting, it's hard to get the nuance that the mod felt in order to yank it, but I would assume it looked like a job for a cook with a pilot's license... And it perpetuates the near fact that 200 hrs wonders must lick their wounds in order to get out of the blocks.... In this case, put salt on them wounds. If I was young, 200 logged, and adventurous, it may be ok. At least I'd become a decent cook for my fallback career. Kraft dinner anyone?

[GyvAir]

I suspect there are precious few 200hr wonders that have the skills to feed 12 people at a sitting all week and keeping everybody happy. I did read the ad.. had a small chuckle. I think sheephunter had a reasonable and honest approach, looking for someone possibly retired from flying who's looking for a change of scenery for a few weeks - not someone looking to launch their career or build hours.
(Ad is still visible via google using a few appropriate search terms)

[sheephunter]

GyvAir, is bang on the money. I was trying to be as honest as possible, not misleading and not dangling a great big carrott by offering more than there is. I thought it would be easier here on an aviation website to find a pilot that could cook than on a hunting or cooking website trying to find a cook that could pilot. This is the perfect scenario for a retired float pilot that enjoys hunting, fishing, the outdoors as well cooking. I charter guest in and out commercially so the 180 is their to get groceries, supplies for set-up and get guides and staff in and out. I am not running a chisel charter. You'll get more time fishing than flying. Sorry to those of you that had your feathers ruffled and thanks to those that have shown serious interest as well those that have reffered the position to buddies that actually are cooks and not pilots.

[bushhopper]

Not sure what the purpose of this post is. But if your looking for a someone to work the kitchen, I am sure your better off looking in the cooking community, cooking schools, etc. I am sure if you pay well enough you will have no issues. Now trying to find a pilot to work for little to nothing with the chance of MAYBE flying is what might made the moderator pull the add. It has to be clear cut, pilots are pilots, pilots fly, and we can do other duties on the side but the main objective is flying. Most of us do agree that rampie position with the big carrot are at best questionable. I know for a fact that most of the companies offering these positions unofficially never intend to let a portion of the rampies fly. Anyway, I guess we live in a free world, free economy? I hope! and since most young pilots played the supply and demand game, I guess it depends on your luck. Most retired pilots who made it to retirement would most likely feel disrespected to have this position offered to someone with tones of experience to cook for a bunch of customers. Heck most retired pilots could possibly afford to be your customers. Rant over... cheers.

[Krimson]

Not sure what the purpose of this post is. But if your looking for a someone to work the kitchen, I am sure your better off looking in the cooking community, cooking schools, etc. I am sure if you pay well enough you will have no issues. Now trying to find a pilot to work for little to nothing with the chance of MAYBE flying is what might made the moderator pull the add. It has to be clear cut, pilots are pilots, pilots fly, and we can do other duties on the side but the main objective is flying. Most of us do agree that rampie position with the big carrot are at best questionable. I know for a fact that most of the companies offering these positions unofficially never intend to let a portion of the rampies fly. Anyway, I guess we live in a free world, free economy? I hope! and since most young pilots played the supply and demand game, I guess it depends on your luck. Most retired pilots who made it to retirement would most likely feel disrespected to have this position offered to someone with tones of experience to cook for a bunch of customers. Heck most retired pilots could possibly afford to be your customers. Rant over... cheers.

Did you even read the last reply from OP? It's not intended to be a dangling carrot. The position is for a cook, not a pilot. You just have to be one to be able to get supplies in. Really no different than many AMEs who fly to their customers - they are mechanics who happen to be pilots.

I don't think it that unreasonable. I have always wanted to be a chef but am not much of a hunter/lodge guy. If I was and was retired I could definitely see myself doing something like this.

[bushhopper]

unless i can't read, the add didn't contain anything specifying the cook would fly the supplies in.

[armchair]

I thought it would be easier here on an aviation website to find a pilot that could cook than on a hunting or cooking website trying to find a cook that could pilot. This is the perfect scenario for a retired float pilot that enjoys hunting, fishing, the outdoors as well cooking. I charter guest in and out commercially so the 180 is their to get groceries, supplies for set-up and get guides and staff in and out.

Sounds great. So in short, the candidate will "cook, ramp, run errands, run shuttles for all other staff as, and most assuredly run and clean the kitchen." Not sure if there will be any time left for hunting , fishing or the outdoors unless that is part of "getting the groceries". The cook/pilot will have to watch his flight duty times carefully given the standard wake-up time for most fishing lodges. The position should specify cleaning the customers catch, guts and all, since the fish becomes part of the dinner. This is a good case study for the College of Pilots, as to where this position would rate in the debate on pilot as a profession! Seriously, pulling your chain here, good luck in finding this gem, and let us know how it turns out!

[Rudder Bug]

Sounds great. So in short, the candidate will "cook, ramp, run errands, run shuttles for all other staff as, and most assuredly run and clean the kitchen." Not sure if there will be any time left for hunting , fishing or the outdoors unless that is part of "getting the groceries". The cook/pilot will have to watch his flight duty times carefully given the standard wake-up time for most fishing lodges. The position should specify cleaning the customers catch, guts and all, since the fish becomes part of the dinner. This is a good case study for the College of Pilots, as to where this position would rate in the debate on pilot as a profession! Seriously, pulling your chain here, good luck in finding this gem, and let us know how it turns out!

Armchair,

A huge part of what you are referring to is the guide's duties.

Sheep is ideally looking for a retired pilot who can cook breakfast and dinner, and manage his kitchen. When he gets too busy to fly, said cook will be able to hop in the plane and do some of his flying. A relief pilot, so to speak.

At 60 year old, with a good deal of flying background, I would have love to be able to go and bring the wife along. I am not after a full-time flying job any longer but I am kind of committed for it this season again...unless something unexpected happens.

Having met Sheep and knowing the nature of his operation and the area, I can tell for sure that the one who will get the job will have the time of his life, something to remember forever, I garantee it.

For me, the cooking, the fishing and the life at such a camp would have been my carrot, not the occasional flying.

Another thing and not the least, these customers usually leave a pretty decent tip to the cook and guides, much more than what pilots get - IF they get one.

Best of luck Sheep, I hope you find the ideal person!

Gilles

[sheephunter]

This is actually becoming quite amusing and I am not speaking of the resumes and interest shown. I am thankful to know that I have more than a few that are extremely qualified one way or another for this horrific position. Beleive it not, I'll be OK. Rudderbug, didn't know you could cook? Just getting some final stuff done on the plane and hopefully in the water by the weekend. Got about 50 hrs on it since the engine was done and it is smooth and strong. I plan to be leaving here around June 15th but I think that will be premature this spring. Did you notice the weather for Kangirsuk today? Not much like spring.

[Beefitarian]

I'm disappointed I don't get to read the ad.

[sheephunter]

Beef, sorry it's gone but I apparently some feel I was looking for an athlete with olympic prowess capable of leaping tall buildings, NASA background in aerospace & Orion specific operations for moving crew & supplies and graduate of Le Cordon Bleu College of Culinary Arts and no less than a guide degree from Jim Shockey, survival skills of Les Stroud and boat driving skills of Art Asbury. You interested?

[Beefitarian]

Hmm. Depends what kind of fish are in that lake.

[Rudder Bug]

Why don't you put some photos of your outfit in here Kevin? I might turn some people on. (That's from the wife)

What kind of toaster you got? I panick when I cook a breakfast for two of us. (THat's from me)

Beef; mostly trout but the biggest you've ever seen. Can you cook too?

Just to give you an idea of what I teased (catch and release) in the same area:

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Moskitoes are so big that some of them get the crabs.

[Rudder Bug]

Rudderbug, didn't know you could cook?

Neither did I!

[Beefitarian]

Cook? Yes, but my Cordon Bleu rating has expired and I'm not going to rewrite it. Sorry everyone.

[sheephunter]

Beef, I can recertify you with a blue ribbon on site and Rudder, you know it's illegal to use live bait.

[Rudder Bug]

Cook? Yes, but my Cordon Bleu rating has expired and I'm not going to rewrite it. Sorry everyone.

I'm even more sorry. Forgot to mention he expects you to wash your hands and dig shit holes between meals!

[Meatservo]

I'm an awesome cook. No, really. I can cook anything. I have 14,000 hours. I won't be asking to fly your 180. Can I have the job anyway?

[Rudder Bug]

I cook better than you all because I am French and I have 13k hours. And I don't even want to hear about the friggen plane!

Is this better?

[Beefitarian]

Wash their hands? That must have been what got the thread deleted.

[sheephunter]

Meatservo, I found from your following quote that you were definitely qualified about 20 years ago for the 180. "I worked the dock for about six months during my first float season. I learned a lot. I knew how to take off and land in a Cessna 180, that's about it."

But your cooking resume is a bit sketchy from this quote of yours.

"Made a real dog's breakfast of it, too" So if you mean you can cook anything a dog would eat... well, I'm not too sure that is the skillset I'm in search of.