IMC time...to log or not to log?

[Jack In The Box]

I'll start by saying I have well over 250 hours of IMC time (I stopped counting several months ago at this point). But I've heard some say you should continue to log it for future prospective employers. Just trying to see if there is a consensus out there on this topic.

Thanks

[ahramin]

I stopped logging it the second I had the requirements for the ATPL.

It's one of those things that don't matter unless you don't have any. At 250 hours, an extra 10 000 won't make any difference.

[Nark]

I do interviews for my airline. One of the things, of many, I look for in your logbook is IFR currency.

[ahramin]

And how do you look for that currency Nark? A column marked IMC or what kind of flying they are doing?

[Jack In The Box]

yeah, I'm confused about that as well Nark. I have no problem maintaining currency due to the amount I fly. If it's getting questionable, I keep track on my paysheets at work. Not in my logbook.

Would it be appropriate to write "IFR approach logged for currency" in the comments section? or...

[Beefitarian]

Why wouldn't you? I guess I'm just not flying enough to be annoyed at writing in there.

[Nark]

Most, if not all the logbooks I see have a column for approaches.
If I don't see anything logged on the last six months we ask.


Its under "Conditions of Flight" on the second page.

[Chaxterium]

I do interviews for my airline. One of the things, of many, I look for in your logbook is IFR currency.

That's the only reason I still keep track of it.

[Panama Jack]

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the time period after the 1st year of Instrument Rating issuance/renewal you must be able to prove that you have at least 6 hours in simulated/actual instrument conditions and 6 approaches. How do you plan to demonstrate that?

[ahramin]

I've never been asked to prove it Panama but if it happened and I hadn't been to sim in the last 6 months then I would go back and find 6 hours and 6 approaches.

Has anyone here ever been asked to prove it?

[AuxBatOn]

If you are too lazy to write down a couple numbers in your logbook, what else are you too lazy to do?

[Cat Driver]

Has anyone here ever been asked to prove it?

Never, nor have I ever heard of anyone else being asked.

Maybe just maybe if there was a serious accident and the insurance company suspected you were not current they may ask, then just go find the airplane logs to prove it.

[2.5milefinal]

I stopped writing that number down 10 years ago. OMG what am I going to do?

[Jack In The Box]

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the time period after the 1st year of Instrument Rating issuance/renewal you must be able to prove that you have at least 6 hours in simulated/actual instrument conditions and 6 approaches. How do you plan to demonstrate that?

And how would logging it as "1 IAP flown" or whatever prove anything? How woudl you know he didn't just go back there and put it in.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Jack In The Box]

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the time period after the 1st year of Instrument Rating issuance/renewal you must be able to prove that you have at least 6 hours in simulated/actual instrument conditions and 6 approaches. How do you plan to demonstrate that?

And how would logging it as "1 IAP flown" or whatever prove anything? How woudl you know he didn't just go back there and put it in.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Nark]

The same way we trust candidates didn't pencil whip whatever hours they show.

Also, if someone is coming from a cargo, or other type of operation that does continuous instrument approaches, or that job requires currency, I don't bother looking.
However, flight instructor types or VFR jobs I look and ask.

[Panama Jack]

Seriously, Jack in the Box?

Have some of you never heard of the term "falsification of records"?

Do you guys ever log the number of takeoffs and landings do demonstrate recent experience? Same same when it comes to IFR approaches. For those of you who hold an FAA IFR ticket you will want to also look at the details on 61.51(g) and 61.57(c).

[ahramin]

If you are too lazy to write down a couple numbers in your logbook, what else are you too lazy to do?

If you're spending so much time on details that don't matter, how do you find time for the details that do matter?

I find the less time I spend picking peanuts out of poop, the more I have time for learning.

[co-joe]

I logged .1 of every hour as IMC. I tried keeping track of it for a while and it came out to almost exactly 10% IMC. Thats on a turboprop, so piston might be more, jet might be less. Unless you want to do the stopwatch method...oh there's a cloud, that's one second IMC...

[Big Pistons Forever]

Has anyone here ever been asked to prove it?

My log book was examined by my present employer. One of the things he looked at was how I had logged IMC time. I did, and still do, just make an estimate of how much cloud time I did on each flight so the amount of IMC varies from a .1 to occasionally most of the the flight time for that flight. The CP liked what he saw and told me they had recently hired a guy who put down that he had a couple of hundred IMC hours but during training it became obvious he could not fly in cloud. He was washed out but not before he cost the company in wasted training so as a result they started to pay more attention to pilot logbooks.

[Jack In The Box]

Seriously, Jack in the Box?

Have some of you never heard of the term "falsification of records"?

Do you guys ever log the number of takeoffs and landings do demonstrate recent experience? Same same when it comes to IFR approaches. For those of you who hold an FAA IFR ticket you will want to also look at the details on 61.51(g) and 61.57(c).

No I can not say I log takeoffs and landings. Considering I do 60+ per month, and several fir approaches each month...I've never been concerned about currency.

[Jack In The Box]

I'm asking for reference to presenting my logbook to future employers. Looks like the general consensus is to continue logging it, along with approaches. This is a pain because my logbook does not have an ifr approach column

[scopiton]

because my logbook does not have an ifr approach column

never seen that before.
do you have a logbook ?

[Jack In The Box]

because my logbook does not have an ifr approach column

never seen that before.
do you have a logbook ?

....yes

Have a look. No ifr approach column

http://www.aviationworld.net/default/pi ... r-blk.html

[burninggoats]

Does anyone else log this stuff just because they like to know for themselves, and take pride in their accomplishments in their career, not for the sole reason of showing employers or getting licenses? no? just me? alrighty then...