photofly wrote: The aircraft doesn't even have to be IFR certified since you can do the ride in VMC (under the hood, obviously).

ahramin wrote: Make sure your marker beacon is working for the precision approach though.

How would you file IFR with a non-certified airplane?

Colonel Sanders wrote:

How would you file IFR with a non-certified airplane?

Thoughts:

1) You don't file IFR for an initial instrument ride.
You don't have a rating, after all, and the DPE
isn't about to let you contravene a clearance on
his licence, either.

2) DPE's like to file IFR for renewals, but you don't
have to. Especially if your instrument rating has
just expired. See #1 above.

file IFR and fly in IMC on their initial rides

Colonel Sanders wrote:

file IFR and fly in IMC on their initial rides

Question. You blow your clearance and flunk
your flight test. ATC files a CADORs. Enforcement
comes looking for a pilot to fine/licence suspension.

Who's instrument rating are you filing on?

I've never met (or even heard of) a DPE that would
hang his licence out in the breeze like that, but I had
a sheltered childhood in a gated community. There
was a black man that lived next door, until he crashed
his SUV into a tree and had his blonde wife knock his
teeth out with a golf club.

for the purpose of this flight test, the candidate is deemed to hold a valid instrument rating and may act as pilot-in-command

trey kule wrote:

Make sure your marker beacon is working for the precision approach though.

Thats a joke, right? Sorry for not getting it if it is. I did not think Canada used marker beacons anymore, but we still do use them in pretty much the rest of the world.
A bit dense on my part maybe, but can you give me a serious answer.

there is no such thing as a "IFR certified" airplane.

EASA

605.18 No person shall conduct a take-off in a power-driven aircraft for the purpose of IFR flight unless it is equipped with

(a) when it is operated by day, the equipment required pursuant to paragraphs 605.16(1)(a) to (h);

(b) when it is operated by night, the equipment required pursuant to paragraphs 605.16(1)(a) to (k);

(c) an attitude indicator;

(d) a vertical speed indicator;

(e) an outside air temperature gauge;

(f) a means of preventing malfunction caused by icing for each airspeed indicating system;

(g) a power failure warning device or vacuum indicator that shows the power available to gyroscopic instruments from each power source;

(h) an alternative source of static pressure for the altimeter, airspeed indicator and vertical speed indicator;

(i) sufficient radiocommunication equipment to permit the pilot to conduct two-way communications on the appropriate frequency; and

(j) sufficient radio navigation equipment to permit the pilot, in the event of the failure at any stage of the flight of any item of that equipment, including any associated flight instrument display,

(i) to proceed to the destination aerodrome or proceed to another aerodrome that is suitable for landing, and

(ii) where the aircraft is operated in IMC, to complete an instrument approach and, if necessary, conduct a missed approach procedure.

Colonel Sanders wrote: But again, I have never met a DFTE,I or DPE that was
willing to do that, especially for an initial in IMC.

If a DPE racked up a pile of CADORs on his flight
tests, I can see TC getting pissed at him.

won't TC go after the examiner

Colonel Sanders wrote:

file IFR and fly in IMC on their initial rides

Who's instrument rating are you filing on?

I've never met (or even heard of) a DPE that would
hang his licence out in the breeze like that, but I had
a sheltered childhood in a gated community. There
was a black man that lived next door, until he crashed
his SUV into a tree and had his blonde wife knock his
teeth out with a golf club.

photofly wrote:The EASA type certificate for the Diamondstar DA20 says "Night VFR, IFR, Acrobatic flights including intentional spins are prohibited."