Question for Sunwing insiders

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Those who would like to reply can either PM me or email me.

I need to know who pays the hotels and transport for the foreign pilots, Sunwing or their employer?

What about their perdiem is it paid directly by Sunwing to the foreign pilot or do they get it from their foreign employer ?

Any diffetence between the wet lease pilots and the dry lease pilots for the above?

Thanks in advance for those able to help.

[Dh8Classic]

Get right on that Sunwing insiders so Gilles can attempt to skewer your company.

How many Canadian pilots expected to be hired next year?

[wallflower]

Hopefully nobody will be daft enough to break company regulations regarding confidentiality and give such information to an avowed enemy of the company.

[TG]

In my view Sunwing barely legal business system can fold down, I will not shed a tear.
Like I didn't when Jetsgo tanked.

From its hashes will raise something better, or the others will just take the market.
If 2 or 300 pilots jobs get lost in the process !? Big deal! Who do you think will be send back home ?

All in all, stop being afraid of loosing your post, all this stuff is for your own good.

[AsheetMaDraws]

Let me guess TG, you work for Transat.
Why would anyone wish job loss on somebody else?
Unless, of course, it would benefit Transat, but
that's not what this is all about, is it.
Hmmmm...

[whipline]

I'm sorry TG what's "barely legal?" What happens at the airline is either approved or not approved by the government. The airline is only a small part of sunwing. Any other aspects you don't like?

Rumour is jazz is offering LOA's for the winter months. If Sunwing and jazz can get together it would be a perfect fit. Bring their costs down in the slow months and greatly reduce ours as well.

Sorry Gilles I don't positively know the answers to your questions.

[TG]

I'm sorry TG what's "barely legal?" What happens at the airline is either approved or not approved by the government.

Yes I agree, I am going a little far with this statement.
Just that any things approved by a government doesn't necessary make it right in the eyes of the population.
When you feel shafted, either you take the pain or you fight it back.


On a side note, I have nothing to do with Transat.

[ea306]

In my view Sunwing barely legal business system can fold down, I will not shed a tear.
Like I didn't when Jetsgo tanked.

From its hashes will raise something better, or the others will just take the market.
If 2 or 300 pilots jobs get lost in the process !? Big deal! Who do you think will be send back home ?

All in all, stop being afraid of loosing your post, all this stuff is for your own good.

Something better? Like what? A nice union busting wage diluting position such as a position at Rouge ......or Sky Regional where a captain makes less than an excavator operator makes moving dirt or killing trees? Whatever. Go ahead and wish us out of work. Personally I am very happy here. I will not apologize for the best paying year round job many of us have had and that we are enjoying here at Sunwing. I appreciate my job very much thank you...and sorry TG.... There is not going to be a better job waiting for anyone if Sunwing was to close its doors.

Is the B737 operation at Air Transat going to be a step forward if I resign and join them or if my job is lost at Sunwing? Here is another question, if I was to become unemployed at Sunwing, does this give me a god given right to be hired at Air Transat or anywhere else for that matter simply because I am Canadian and hold a Canadian ATPL with a B737NG and 9 other type ratings? Uh... I don't think I suffer such delusions of grandure and self entitlement that I should simply be hired on that basis alone. Maybe Rouge or Sky Regional or Air Transat or Encore would not see me in the same light and would not wish to offer me a position.

That you would wish any fellow pilot such a terrible personal loss of decent employment is simply disgusting and short sighted. Anyways, not to worry... It probably won't happen....and no tears will be lost.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

EA306, you just invoked an intersting hypothetical situation.

If you lost your job, and a few weeks later Air Transat imported B737 qualified foreign pilots after telling HRSDC that they needed such pilots because there were no qualified 737 pilots in Canada, you would scream bloody murder, and you would be entirely justified in doing so.

Yet this is exactly what Sunwing did in the fall of 2012. You remember I collected Resumes of qualified applicants? Five or six of the resumes that I collected were of B-737NG qualified pilots, one of which was no longer current, the others were. I also had another with a 737-200 rating. I sent these Resumes along with 70 others, most of which had jet time, to the ALPA Canada board where they were printed and delivered in person to HRSDC.
That did not prevent HRSDC from issuing 119 LMOs for type rated foreign pilots. The six Canadian 737NG rated guys were not hired at the time. On what excuse ? The same bogus excuse AT can invent to avoid hiring you: attitude problems, don't fit AT profile, questionable references.....whatever.

If such a hypothetical situation were to happen, I would be by your side screaming bloody murder also. For it would be wrong to leave a pilot like yourself on the pavement while AT hired foreigners.

[Panama Jack]

Does Air Transat make hiring decisions straight from resume's?

[termerair]

Does Air Transat make hiring decisions straight from resume's?

Nope, you have to go through an interview (including 2 or 3 questions in English) and a sim eval in the 310 simulator. Then reference check and a company medical.

As everywhere else it helps to know someone from within to be invited for the interview...

I hope it answers your question.

T.

[ea306]

Just wanted to take a moment to thank the crew of TS254 for kindly extending their hospitality in upgrading a lowly Sunwing captain on business travel to enjoy the Club Class service from Vancouver to Manchester.

It's nice to see that most of us realize that we are all simply the worker bees... The little pawns in this big chess game.

Over the years AT crews have always extended a sincere warm hospitality which is especially appreciated given the present topic of concern.

Great crew and an excellent service made a long flight very enjoyable. A sincere Thank you. I will look forward to being able to reciprocate in kind... Even though Sunwing does not offer a Club Class service.. An AT pilot will always be welcomed aboard.

Sorry for the thread drift.


ea306

[Sasquash]

very classy ea306, A+!

[matt foley]

Here here! I was victim of a "them vs Us" when denied flight deck jump seat on an AC flight over xmas ages ago. The next AC flight crew(captain) offered up a seat on his flight deck, a meal and an apology on behalf of "the 99% of us that know better". Sure enough the very next day we had an AC jump seater(B777 skipper) and I relayed this tale of woe. He was also embarrassed and apologetic and noted that guy number 1 had obviously never commuted. Them vs Us should stay in the boardroom no? I always think but for an answered/unanswered phone call it could be me in any other pilots shoes...literally.

MF