Just finished all my flight training and i was looking to get some more information regarding the wait time on the ground at a place like Perimeter. They seem like a sweet place to fly for. Does anyone have any information regarding the wait time and the hiring process for pilots.
Thanks

I honestly thought judging by the thread topic that this was another conversation about the Air Canada passenger vs pilot Twitter battle. Glad I was wrong.

I'm not sure about wait times, but IMO, If you're already in the area I'd apply to get a ground job. The experience and people you meet will always be invaluable through your career. If the wait is short, all the better, and if the wait is long, from everything i've heard it would be a great place to be until you find any other flying job.

It all depends, could go as quick as 6 months, but ive seen ppl wait over a year.

At least two years. At least that's what it was when I left earlier this year.

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1-2 years. Keewatin 1 year or less, months if your lucky but everywhere seems to be on the higher end right now.

Got a CPL? Did it cost Mommy and Daddy, like 30K? Go get a job FLYING! You could get a ramp job with Grade 6, and a course on a forklift. You have 200 hours? Two years form now on a ramp, you'll have......200 Hours!
Go get some TIME!

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... start working on the ramp before you finish your CPL. That was my regret.

Perimeter - you're looking at 1.5-2 years.

lostaviator wrote:Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... start working on the ramp before you finish your CPL. That was my regret.

Perimeter - you're looking at 1.5-2 years.

Instructing. 1.5 - 2 years, and you have 800-1200 hours. What part of this don't some of you get??

Not everyone has another 15K to become a flying instructor. You are 16 years old and want to me a pilot... Get a job at an airline. Learn how it works. You'll make better money there (most of the time) then Wal Mart. Pay for your CPL and IFR while working. Get your CPL, and walk off the ramp into a plane.

Instructing isn't for everyone....

Doc wrote:Instructing. 1.5 - 2 years, and you have 800-1200 hours. What part of this don't some of you get??

Wouldn't it be better to have instructors who actually care about their jobs and take pride in quality teaching than someone who's sitting in the right seat texting while they kill a thousand hours? It seems to me that instructing solely for the flight time is irresponsible and will only make a whole slew of poorly-trained, dangerous pilots; meanwhile, the older generation laments how kids these days don't have the stick-and-rudder skills of pilots of bygone years, and that younger pilots are only good for turning on the autopilot. If someone feels they wouldn't make a good instructor, the ramp is probably a better option for everyone involved.

Diadem wrote:

Doc wrote:Instructing. 1.5 - 2 years, and you have 800-1200 hours. What part of this don't some of you get??

Wouldn't it be better to have instructors who actually care about their jobs and take pride in quality teaching than someone who's sitting in the right seat texting while they kill a thousand hours? It seems to me that instructing solely for the flight time is irresponsible and will only make a whole slew of poorly-trained, dangerous pilots; meanwhile, the older generation laments how kids these days don't have the stick-and-rudder skills of pilots of bygone years, and that younger pilots are only good for turning on the autopilot. If someone feels they wouldn't make a good instructor, the ramp is probably a better option for everyone involved.

+1 I sit next to some new co's who tell me they were flying instructors and I nearly faint.

Aren't co-joes who are sitting on their asses while occasionally moving the flap and gear levers and keying the mike 'just building hours' pretty much the same way as instructors? No wait, the instructors are babysitting someone else, but the co-joes are being babysat. Pretty easy to reduce a flying job to something a monkey could do... no matter what it is.

2 years as an instructor, you've got 800-1200 hours. Three years as an instructor, you've got your ATPL and probably a whole pile of MPIC. I've watched guys who instructed and start a year after the rampies slide into left seat a year before because their hours count for basically double.

Just because you are instructing to build time does not mean that you don't have to take pride in your job. Again, you could say the same thing about charter or medevac by saying that pilots should be more responsible to their passengers and not leave them in the hands of the next low time pilots... but nobody ever says anything about 702/3/4 ship jumpers...

lostaviator wrote: +1 I sit next to some new co's who tell me they were flying instructors and I nearly faint.

And I suppose your 300 hour wonders with nothing but sim time and forklift time in the last two or three years are sky gods? Give me a break!

iflyforpie wrote:Aren't co-joes who are sitting on their asses while occasionally moving the flap and gear levers and keying the mike 'just building hours' pretty much the same way as instructors? No wait, the instructors are babysitting someone else, but the co-joes are being babysat. Pretty easy to reduce a flying job to something a monkey could do... no matter what it is.

Are you serious? Did you not comprehend my post at all? I'm saying that instructors SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO TEACHING PROPERLY, NOT SITTING THERE GETTING HOURS. If a pilot doesn't want to actually teach their students, and they're going to turn out a few dozen terrible pilots who have a good chance of killing themselves and others, then that person shouldn't have become an instructor in the first place; they should have gone to work on the ramp so they could eventually move into a co-joe position and move the flaps. You somehow managed to take the exact opposite meaning from what I said.

You aren't getting what I am saying either.

I am saying that NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF FLYING YOU ARE DOING, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

Yet, only flight instructors seem to be pressured to take the solemn oath of dedicating their lives to quality flight instruction... even though tons of people meet their deaths in 702/3/4 machines flown by inexperienced pilots.

Besides, I'm sure everyone here has survived a lackluster flight instructor... and perhaps even learned a thing or two from it.

But don't you think there would have been fewer 702/3/4 accidents if the pilots were better trained in the first place? I'm not saying that everyone who chooses to be an instructor should be required to permanently be instructors, I'm saying that anyone who becomes an instructor for any reason other than to teach is doing the entire industry a disservice.They should be teachers first and pilots second, and if they're doing it to get hours they're putting their own interests ahead of their students.

iflyforpie wrote:
2 years as an instructor, you've got 800-1200 hours. Three years as an instructor, you've got your ATPL and probably a whole pile of MPIC. I've watched guys who instructed and start a year after the rampies slide into left seat a year before because their hours count for basically double.

There's the joke right there, 3 years doing donuts in the circuit and you get an ATPL! No airline transport experience at all!!

After 5 years flying and 2500 hours flying with an airline I couldn't get an ATPL. Great system we have!

I am a bad person to drag into the instructor debate because I do not think anyone with less than a few thousand hours is worthy of an instructor rating.

In the end... The OP got their answer. Another thing to consider is that given Perimeter just closed down their flying school recently, that might affect the wait time one way or another. Too soon to tell though.

When I started training there was another guy who started about the same time. I went the ramp route he went the instructor route.

By the time I had my licenses and did my ramp time he had already heen instructing for just under a year and had about 600-700 hours.

After a year of flying right seat I was at 800 or so and he was about 1100 still instructing.

So the way I see it all other things being equal there are pros and cons to both. He has more time lots of pic but is still looking for a multi turbine job.

It took me about a year longer to get into my first flying job. But now that I am I'm building more time and don't have to worry about making another move for awhile. I'm also making a little more money on a better schedule.

So who is further ahead in their respective career? I dunno but pick your poison. As everyone has said though if you are planning on going the ramp route get the job while you are working on your licenses not after.

I took the ramp route (I didn't have the money to get the ins rating).

My PPL/CPL instructor is now one of my FO's.

My thoughts exactly.

Nice one MagicMilkshake!! That sums up the aviation industry here in North America!

How have I missed the dumbest thread of the summer until today?!

I think your problem is that you have a life.