If you missed it, this is an even better look at the sorry state of affairs in the US regional market; which ACPA has ensured will migrate north of the border:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... heap/view/

Takeoff OK wrote:If you missed it, this is an even better look at the sorry state of affairs in the US regional market; which ACPA has ensured will migrate north of the border:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... heap/view/

Will migrate? Its already in full swing with Encore, Sky, and GGN. Then companies that pay well are importing pilots. Welcome to Canadian aviation, and in 5 years from now it will be much much much worse.

justwork wrote:
Will migrate? Its already in full swing with Encore, Sky, and GGN. Then companies that pay well are importing pilots. Welcome to Canadian aviation, and in 5 years from now it will be much much much worse.

One profession - one union.

Why would anybody expect a different result with so many different voices and different agendas?

$20,000 gross income for regional pilots in the U.S. is un acceptable. Disgusting. As some body who dreams about becoming a pilot in Canada, would this be the future of the Canadian pilot industry?

Censo wrote:$20,000 gross income for regional pilots in the U.S. is un acceptable. Disgusting. As some body who dreams about becoming a pilot in Canada, would this be the future of the Canadian pilot industry?

Yes

Great Lakes is already shutting down due to poor pay and the ATR rule they can't attract qualified pilots. The us regional pay scale is headed in the opposite direction as the Canadian pay scale.

Apparently many regionals are cancelling Captain upgrade classes because they have no F/O's to replace them. New airplanes are supposed to be accepted at a number of regionals but there are no pilots to fly them.

Several regionals are offering signing bonuses now, here's a link to a thread on another forum that you may find interesting.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/re ... ew.193057/

Another interesting article. An interesting quote from a United memo to pilots.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/54247405/#.Uu5Uq_ldWT9

While our decision to reduce our flying was driven by our continued losses in Cleveland, the timing of the flight reductions has been accelerated by industry-wide effects of new federal regulations that impact us and our regional partner flying. Those new regulations have caused mainline airlines to hire regional pilots, while simultaneously significantly reducing the pool of new pilots from which regional carriers themselves can hire. Although this is an industry issue, it directly affects us and requires us to reduce our regional partner flying, as several of our regional partners are beginning to have difficulty flying their schedules due to reduced new pilot availability. We need to reduce that flying in our most unprofitable markets, which unfortunately are out of Cleveland.

What a nightmare... All I keep thinking is how can it possibly get any worse? It has to get better from here somehow.. Unfortunately Canada is not at the bottom yet. Though hopefully a reverse trend in the states would show up here as well.

How long can airlines defy the laws of economics down there... Refusing to raise pay rates, and offering free ipads and signing bonuses instead?

sstaurus wrote:What a nightmare... All I keep thinking is how can it possibly get any worse? It has to get better from here somehow.. Unfortunately Canada is not at the bottom yet. Though hopefully a reverse trend in the states would show up here as well.

How long can airlines defy the laws of economics down there... Refusing to raise pay rates, and offering free ipads and signing bonuses instead?

As long as bonehead pilots are willing to accept those WAWCONs!

I feel like we just keep beating a dead horse.

With the pilot pool drying up, how long will it take before the USA opens the border to foreign pilots. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Whoa wait, back the truck up here.

Free iPads?

rudder wrote:

justwork wrote:
Will migrate? Its already in full swing with Encore, Sky, and GGN. Then companies that pay well are importing pilots. Welcome to Canadian aviation, and in 5 years from now it will be much much much worse.

One profession - one union.

Why would anybody expect a different result with so many different voices and different agendas?

Amen

Good god. Just for a laugh (nothing funny about it really), I went over to Airline Pilot Central... a 1900 Captain at Great Lakes makes $27/hr. 27!!! It takes 5 years to get to $33/hr! Forget KD, how can they afford a used cardboard box to sleep in? Nevermind the FO, he's just a volunteer meat sack.

rudder wrote:

justwork wrote:
Will migrate? Its already in full swing with Encore, Sky, and GGN. Then companies that pay well are importing pilots. Welcome to Canadian aviation, and in 5 years from now it will be much much much worse.

One profession - one union.

Why would anybody expect a different result with so many different voices and different agendas?

Actors do it.. Why can't we?

FL767 wrote:

rudder wrote:

justwork wrote:
Will migrate? Its already in full swing with Encore, Sky, and GGN. Then companies that pay well are importing pilots. Welcome to Canadian aviation, and in 5 years from now it will be much much much worse.

One profession - one union.

Why would anybody expect a different result with so many different voices and different agendas?

Actors do it.. Why can't we?

We were there. But it was deconstructed in 1996.

Now we have professional pilots scattered across several certified bargaining agents such as Teamsters, CAW (now UNIFOR), in-house (i.e. ACPA), and what remains of CALPA merged in to ALPA.

Time to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

So to play devil's advocate, let's say I'm an airline CEO. Why would I pay a regional pilot any more if there are candidates willing to work for that wage?

There in lies the rub, right now they can't find anybody qualified willing to work for F*#K all