Log Book Question

[rt777]

Hey everyone.

Working on my CPL and adding up hours to get all the paperwork for my night rating. I have a question.

For the night rating you need: 10 Hours dual instrument time, correct. And 5 hours of that can be dual ground instrument (sim)

For my logbook, I currently have all my regular flying, and hood time first organized by the date of which I did it.

Now, can I add in all the dual instrument sim I have done, at the end of all my entries, or does it have to be in order of the date I did it, in line with my regular flying?

Thanks for your help!

[nbinont]

You should have the entries in your logbook organized by date.

The sim time should be in a separate column from the other flying.

When it comes time to get your rating, simply sum the coumns up separately, and provide the two sums.

[rt777]

You should have the entries in your logbook organized by date.

The sim time should be in a separate column from the other flying.

When it comes time to get your rating, simply sum the coumns up separately, and provide the two sums.

Ok, yeah the sim time I put in a separate entry currently, but I guess ill have to erase it and mix it in with entries organized by date in my logbook.

[photofly]

You should have the entries in your logbook organized by date.

The sim time should be in a separate column from the other flying.

When it comes time to get your rating, simply sum the coumns up separately, and provide the two sums.

Ok, yeah the sim time I put in a separate entry currently, but I guess ill have to erase it and mix it in with entries organized by date in my logbook.

There are no "official" requirements as to how to organize a log book. I imagine most people do it in date order, but it's up to you.

[Colonel Sanders]

I try to do a personal log in chronological
order, but it isn't always possible. Sometimes
you put an entry in afterwards, that you forgot
to put in.

This contravenes no Canadian Aviation Regulation
but this practice will enrage the Paper Nazis
whom will be along shortly to revoke my testicles
for 90 days for each occurrence.

[5x5]

It makes sense to organize the entries chronologically as it shows the progressive nature of your training. But as the CS says there is no actual requirement for them to be in order.

Rather than erasing and redoing anything, just put them in on the next bank lines and perhaps add a notation in the border or somewhere on the line "Late Entry". It just highlights that the entry is out of date order and makes it easier for anyone perusing the logbook to keep things straight.

[Colonel Sanders]

there is no actual requirement for them to be in order

There is no requirement to log all your flights,
either. There is no requirement to even maintain
a conventional personal logbook as we think of it,
as long as you have some paperwork proving currency
which meets the 5 year requirement / 6 month
pax 5 TO&Ldg.

[old fart]

Sorry Colonel,

It is a requirement to maintain a log and TC specifies what it must contain. I could be written in a logbook, in a computer or even on toilet paper, but if you are applying for a licence, permit or rating, or if you hold one, then you must maintain a log.


401.08 (1) Every applicant for, and every holder of, a flight crew permit, licence or rating shall maintain a personal log in accordance with subsection (2) and with the personnel licensing standards for the documentation of

(a) experience acquired in respect of the issuance of the flight crew permit, licence or rating; and


(b) recency.



(2) A personal log that is maintained for the purposes referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) shall contain the holder’s name and the following information in respect of each flight:

(a) the date of the flight;


(b) the type of aircraft and its registration mark;


(c) the flight crew position in which the holder acted;


(d) the flight conditions with respect to day, night, VFR and IFR;


(e) in the case of a flight in an aeroplane or helicopter, the place of departure and the place of arrival;


(f) in the case of a flight in an aeroplane, all of the intermediate take-offs and landings;


(g) the flight time;


(h) in the case of a flight in a glider, the method of launch used for the flight; and


(i) in the case of a flight in a balloon, the method of inflation used for the flight.



(3) No person shall make an entry in a personal log unless the person

(a) is the holder of the log; or


(b) has been authorized to make the entry by the holder of the log

[CFR]

Popcorn ... Get your Popcorn here!!!!

[Colonel Sanders]

A personal log, which contains all the
information required by the CARs, is
allowed to be a bit unusual.

For example, if TC asked my father to
produce a personal logbook, we could
file an Access for Information request to
TC, to ask them to produce the results of
their covert surveillance.

I firmly believe that TC's covert surveillance
notes would meet the personal log requirements
of the CARs above.

[photofly]

(i) in the case of a flight in a balloon, the method of inflation used for the flight.

"I held the balloon over my laptop and allowed all the hot air on AvCanada to do its work."

[AirFrame]

I firmly believe that TC's covert surveillance
notes would meet the personal log requirements
of the CARs above.

Probably.

But your dad would still get a violation for not having a personal log.

[Colonel Sanders]

No. TC maintains his personal log.

I am happy to discuss this at the Tribunal.

After all, TC believes that retired TC Inspectors
have superhuman eyes, that can see through
solid objects and have visual acuity exceeding
that of any known animal on earth.

I accept the above.

I also accept that they maintain his personal log.

[B52]

I can understand why some don't like government documentation but a log book?
That's a very personal document that means a lot to most pilots.

I would strongly recommend that in addition to a written log book, that pilots
make a back up high quality scanned copy of every page of their log book.

It is becoming a standard dirty trick of vindictive ex-wives to "keep" or "destroy"
a pilot's log book and anything can cause legal or emotional grief over not being able
to produce it.

Even better, never leave your log book and or licences where a spouse can get hold of it.

[5x5]

Even better, never leave your log book and or licences where a spouse can get hold of it.

And even more better, make an honest, solid, lifetime commitment and work through your issues and never have to face that particular problem.