TC to FAA licence conversion

[Outlaw58]

Im about to write the FAA ACP, CCP and ICP to convert my licenses to FAA IAW the standing MOU.

Has anyone wrote any (or even better ALL) of these recently? If so, what study package did you use to prepare for the exam? Any suggestions?

I am looking at the Gleim Online courses. Another thing I am trying to avoid is buying 3 study packages only to find out that 1 or more are just subset of a third one, i.e. the ICP is probably going to be largely covered by the ACP. Is that assumption correct?

Thanks for your help!!

JP

[TXGR]

I recently took FAA CPL written and used Dauntless Software "Ground School". I used the same vendors for Transport Canada INRAT, PSTAR, etc.

I use it on my iOS devices. They have a website where you can upload results if you want to show an instructor your performance.

I scored 97/100 on the FAA CPL. You can take the full test or conversion special test, they count the same.

Good luck,
Brian

[Outlaw58]

I recently took FAA CPL written and used Dauntless Software "Ground School". I used the same vendors for Transport Canada INRAT, PSTAR, etc.

I use it on my iOS devices. They have a website where you can upload results if you want to show an instructor your performance.

I scored 97/100 on the FAA CPL. You can take the full test or conversion special test, they count the same.

Good luck,
Brian

Cool thanks!

I checked dauntless, it looks pretty good!

What I am trying to figure out is how much of the CPL/IFR question bank is used in the ATP test. Yes I'm cheap and would prefer not paying for the CPL/IFR package only to find out that they are the same questions found on the ATP.

Thanks again!

JP

[TXGR]

I am studying for FAA ATP with Dauntless Software now. The cost is pretty small. Certain sections are identical. Others are much different (eg % MAC), some performance questions, and all the part 121 and 135 specific rules. The CPL prep material is not enough (maybe 30% at most).

If cost is really an issue, just get the FAA official material. I believe the FAA publishes all the questions and answers. I know they do for other tests.

The explanations and format of Dauntless is well worth the price. I think the iOS version is cheaper than the PC/Mac version. I only use it on my iPod Touch and iPad.

Good luck,
Brian

[TXGR]

One other point...the ATP written process changes DRAMATICALLY after 31 July 2014 due to politicians passing some really absurd laws so they could pretend they fixed something and kowtow to unions.

After 31 July, you must spend a ton of money in courses (that don't exist yet) flying airline simulators.

If you intend to take FAA written in the next 2 years, do it by July.

V/r
Brian

[Outlaw58]

One other point...the ATP written process changes DRAMATICALLY after 31 July 2014 due to politicians passing some really absurd laws so they could pretend they fixed something and kowtow to unions.

After 31 July, you must spend a ton of money in courses (that don't exist yet) flying airline simulators.

If you intend to take FAA written in the next 2 years, do it by July.

V/r
Brian

Yup well aware and those will be done well before!

Thanks!!

[Outlaw58]

I am studying for FAA ATP with Dauntless Software now. The cost is pretty small. Certain sections are identical. Others are much different (eg % MAC), some performance questions, and all the part 121 and 135 specific rules. The CPL prep material is not enough (maybe 30% at most).

If cost is really an issue, just get the FAA official material. I believe the FAA publishes all the questions and answers. I know they do for other tests.

The explanations and format of Dauntless is well worth the price. I think the iOS version is cheaper than the PC/Mac version. I only use it on my iPod Touch and iPad.

Good luck,
Brian

Dang, a whole post just poofed

Was just saying that I am also studying for the ATP as well (converting an ATPL(H) to be precise) and was wondering what if anything, would be on the commercial/IFR exams that wouldn't be already covered in the ATP study packages. Found part of my answer this afternoon when I tried one of the free study units and while I found material not covered by ATP, that stuff was dead easy, very basic.

So far the studies are going bery well, I just wrote the SARON/SAMRA 2 weeks ago, so a lot of this stuff is similar, makes that studying that much easier.

Let me know how your studying is going! I am hoping to have all my exams by March 14.

JP

[TXGR]

Unfortunately, work is getting in the way of studying. I haven't progressed beyond a few sections specifically for ATP. I should blow this Popsicle stand in a few days and then have more time.

Good luck on the 14th,
Brian

[onursix]

Hey all

Does anyone know anything about doing the REVERSE? That is, someone with an FAA applying for a TC License? Im an American, and have been told that all I need to do is take a 25 question multiple choice test on Canadian Air Law. Anyone with ideas how or what I need to study would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

[Colonel Sanders]

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... on-480.htm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... s-2284.htm

[Big Pistons Forever]

Does anyone know if the current agreement between the FAA and TC to convert a TC ATPL will change when the new FAA ATPL rules come into force. By that I mean will you still be able to just do a FAA medical, get the required TC paperwork to the FAA, write the one exam, and the FAA will issue you a FAA ATPL ?

[Outlaw58]

As far as know, the new rules only affect the prerequisites required to take the knowledge exams ATP (121) and ATA (135).

The only pre-requisite to take the conversion exam is the foreign licence verification letter and I don't see why the new rules would change that.

JP

[matthew.oommen]

So now since I am getting my TC ATPL in a couple of months, it would be better to wait it out and do the 40 question conversion test rather than the full 121 test next week? (Before July 31)

[nzharvey]

Does anyone know if the current agreement between the FAA and TC to convert a TC ATPL will change when the new FAA ATPL rules come into force. By that I mean will you still be able to just do a FAA medical, get the required TC paperwork to the FAA, write the one exam, and the FAA will issue you a FAA ATPL ?

So has anyone got a real update on this since we are now post 31st July 2014? I've rung around the FSDO's from Oklahoma to Chicago, and Indianapolis and yet NO ONE is able to give me an answer and always just asks for an email address to get back to me - yet no answer from anyone.

I just need to know if i can do the TCCA ATP conversion to FAA ATP test and get my FAA ATP. I've got the foreign verification letter sitting waiting for me at the FSDO but yet cant find an answer if i can do the test or not?

Any progress in information would be greatly appreciated!

[Outlaw58]

Does anyone know if the current agreement between the FAA and TC to convert a TC ATPL will change when the new FAA ATPL rules come into force. By that I mean will you still be able to just do a FAA medical, get the required TC paperwork to the FAA, write the one exam, and the FAA will issue you a FAA ATPL ?

So has anyone got a real update on this since we are now post 31st July 2014? I've rung around the FSDO's from Oklahoma to Chicago, and Indianapolis and yet NO ONE is able to give me an answer and always just asks for an email address to get back to me - yet no answer from anyone.

I just need to know if i can do the TCCA ATP conversion to FAA ATP test and get my FAA ATP. I've got the foreign verification letter sitting waiting for me at the FSDO but yet cant find an answer if i can do the test or not?

Any progress in information would be greatly appreciated!

My advice to you is if you got the verification letter in your hand, go write the conversion exam ASAP. Once you got all your papers, go to the nearest FSDO (book an appointment) in person and stand in their face until you walk out with your ATP certificate in hand.

As I previously said, the new rules only affect the pre-requisites required to obtain an ATP from scratch. I have not seen anything affecting the conversion and if there is, chances are the FSDO's still haven't got the memo and will revert to what they know, which is issue the certificate based on the agreement.

JP

**PS: Obviously I was wrong here and rules DID affect the conversion. See below **

[Outlaw58]

So now since I am getting my TC ATPL in a couple of months, it would be better to wait it out and do the 40 question conversion test rather than the full 121 test next week? (Before July 31)

bit late for a response *sorry*

But...

Conversion is much easier than going the full route and...

Any FAA exams (ATP included) are easy if you are well prepared and the reason they are easy is the prep material available is phenomenal. I used both Dauntless and Gleim and it was more than enough to get me ready. The Dauntless app for mobile device is excellent!

JP

[nzharvey]

So basically because every single place ive called has said they dont see that there is a change and they'd have to do some research to get back to me on an answer would mean they havent actually received any update on procedures? How would it be possible for them to then issue me an ATP if there was infact a change (as ive been told by one person in Oklahoma, but not anywhere else) ? Is it on an as per standing physically in the office basis?? Much like customs and immigration is at the border and the onus is on them to decide yay or nay?

Wow... i guess it wouldnt hurt to then just go do the test and see what happens?? Ill look into it and post a reply if it works...

Cheers

[nzharvey]

...Ok

Ive tried calling, Chicago, all over Indy, Oklahoma, and also the main headquarters at CATS. Firstly, No one will let me schedule an ACP ATPL Conversion exam, and secondly, the same lady at CATS says a 'valid groundschool' certificate needs to be in hand...

I have however found this...page 3. http://www.faa.gov/training_testing/tes ... matrix.pdf

** The ACP 40-question, 2.0-hour exam, which required no endorsement or authorization, is discontinued effective 8/1/14.
*** The effective date of the new ACP 60-question, 2.5-hour exam, which requires a training program certificate of completion as authorization to test, has not been announced as of the release of this version of the matrix

Acceptable form of authorization for ACP*** and ATM only:
• Certificate of completion of an Airline Transport Pilot Multiengine Class Rating training program. The certificate
must be issued by an authorized 121, 135, 141, or 142 training provider

I was also just told from Oklahoma that Embry Riddle is the only testing facility currently able to administer the ATP (ACP/CPT/??) ground course now required before doing the conversion exam and Oklahoma said that an ATP flight test is not required to receive the FAA ATP.

[Outlaw58]

...Ok

Ive tried calling, Chicago, all over Indy, Oklahoma, and also the main headquarters at CATS. Firstly, No one will let me schedule an ACP ATPL Conversion exam, and secondly, the same lady at CATS says a 'valid groundschool' certificate needs to be in hand...

I have however found this...page 3. http://www.faa.gov/training_testing/tes ... matrix.pdf

** The ACP 40-question, 2.0-hour exam, which required no endorsement or authorization, is discontinued effective 8/1/14.
*** The effective date of the new ACP 60-question, 2.5-hour exam, which requires a training program certificate of completion as authorization to test, has not been announced as of the release of this version of the matrix

Acceptable form of authorization for ACP*** and ATM only:
• Certificate of completion of an Airline Transport Pilot Multiengine Class Rating training program. The certificate
must be issued by an authorized 121, 135, 141, or 142 training provider

I was also just told from Oklahoma that Embry Riddle is the only testing facility currently able to administer the ATP (ACP/CPT/??) ground course now required before doing the conversion exam and Oklahoma said that an ATP flight test is not required to receive the FAA ATP.

Wow big changes here!!! That is news to me. Thanks for the info.

Tell me more about the flight test not required... what are the conditions to receive the ATP? I wrote the full ATP before 31 july but I thought I had to do flight test to get the ATP. Need more info.

JP

[nzharvey]

Currently as far as getting a full FAA ATP License through converting your TCCA ATP requires;

Foreign Verification Letter
Completed Ground School Certificate (im getting conflicting answers as to what that is called, either the Airline Transport Pilot Multiengine Class Rating training program or the ATP CPT training program.
Pass in the 40(now 60?) conversion exam
Appointment at an FSDO

and thats it, you should walk out with an unrestricted FAA ATP.

If you did the ACP Conversion exam PRE-31st July you now could walk in and get an ATP without any further procedure. However, because you wrote the full ATP exam I have no idea what that means... id say technically because you do not have a pass result in the ACP Conversion exam PRE 31st July, you would have to do the complete above, instead, what you have is a full ATP exam which would mean youd have to follow the new rules which would just require a flight test. Sorry man, thats a complicated one and good luck finding an answer from someone on that. You can be happy in knowing you have even some sort of exam done pre-31st July. That'll count for something.

[Panama Jack]

What I am trying to figure out is how much of the CPL/IFR question bank is used in the ATP test. Yes I'm cheap and would prefer not paying for the CPL/IFR package only to find out that they are the same questions found on the ATP.

Thanks again!

JP

If you are really cheap, ASA has some apps for all the knowledge tests called Prepware. I think it's about $10. Better than failing by a few percent and spending another $150 for the retake.

[dismerci]

In the process of converting my TCAA ATPL into FAA ATP, I just got my verification letter. I will soon have my 1 st grade medical, and then comes the tricky part, apparently.
I was looking at Gleim for practicing as Dauntless still needs some improvement on mac. But is it worth it if I have to attend a ground school anyway?
Or maybe as some of you suggested I could pass the ACP exam and go see my FSDO and they will grant me with what I want.
No word yet from my FSDO in Albany about all that.
Any input on that matter would be very much appreciated.
Cheers.

[intake]

Any updates on this issue, just starting the process now. A few months too late by the looks of it.

[trey kule]

You are not late at all.
I just did the conversion. Last week in October.
You can pretty much ignore all of the above. Nothing has practically changed,

All the nonsense posted here got me all worried, and I got it in writing from the FSDO before I went.

PM if you would like details as I do not want to get into a public debate on the process.

Here is the FAa response
[quote]
Sir,

In response to your inquiry this morning regarding the issuance of an FAA ATP license based on your Canadian ATP license I have attached 2 pdf’s that apply to you.

1st PDF is a page pulled from 8900.1, Volume 5, Chapter 2, Section 14 (Issue a Part 61 U.S. Pilot Certificate on the Basis of a Foreign-Pilot License) That pertains to your situation.
2nd PDF is Advisory Circular (AC) 61-135 (Conversion Procedures and Processes for FAA Pilot Certificates and TCCA Pilot Licenses) (See pages 7 & 9-10)

These two documents explain in detail exactly what is required to convert your Canadian ATP to an FAA ATP. During our conversation you stated that you have already completed the foreign Pilot verification process and have received your letter, and that you have a current medical. Based on that information and after reading the information above, I believe you will need to take the FAA Written Test for ATP.
Once Completing the FAA Written test for ATP you may be issued your FAA License, once received you will be required to perform a flight review before exercising your privileges. All requirements are detailed in the Documents Attached.
Also if you wish to book an appointment for your conversion you must do so with the Flight Standard District Office (FSDO) that your listed on your Foreign Verification Application. If you wish to change the location of your appointment you must call Oklahoma City Foreign Pilot Verification (405) 954-1890 and request that your letter be faxed to the FSDO you wish to book the appointment with.
Please review the attached information and if you have any further questions please feel free to contact me at this email address or the number listed below.
Thanks,
[quote]

As to the flight review. I had a copy of my current sim Check ride, and that was satisfactory as a flight review.
It is not a hard process.

[Whiskey25]

TK,

Sent you a PM.... at least I think it went.

Whiskey