First Air off course

[GyvAir]

225nm, thats a good ways off course, wonder what could be the cause of this navigational anomaly???

The captain likely has a flight simulator in his basement.

[FICU]

Lots of NDBs to use enroute for redundancy while running over the top between YFB, YRT, and YZF.

[pelmet]

A lot of pilots have a tendency to tune in the occasional NDB while enroute in remote areas as a reference.

[Heliian]

Asleep at the helm again?

[FL020]

Not really a good time for these guys to pull another stunt like this……And to think the Captains have thousands and thousands of hours.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Not really a good time for these guys to pull another stunt like this……And to think the Captains have thousands and thousands of hours.

Which makes them old......and sleepy.....
More than likely, they set the bug steering on their mode control panel and just didn't notice it was wandering off course....hey, we've all done it. Right? Nope.
Illya

[Airmanship Police]

Maybe the FO told the Capt. they were off course and the Capt told him to pound sand.

[Meddler]

Nope nope never done that. But if I had, the guy in the other seat would have caught it within a few miles. I can't understand being 225 miles off course no matter how old your gps is.

But, there s plenty of stuff about flying in the arctic that I and everyone else on this forum don't know.

[Illya Kuryakin]

But, there s plenty of stuff about flying in the arctic that I and everyone else on this forum don't know.

I've flown in the arctic. A to B is still a fairly straight line.......
Illya

[FICU]

A lot of pilots have a tendency to tune in the occasional NDB while enroute in remote areas as a reference.

One ahead and one behind get's you there every time.

[FICU]

We run DGs in true and out of YRT you set your DG to runway heading and then prior to entering SDA you switch back to MAG and set it to the whiskey compass. Not rocket science. I would guess a mis-entered LAT/LONG waypoint in the FMS and a lack of monitoring while enroute.

Still shocking for 705 crew.

[Liquid Charlie]

The last post was likely close to what happened - even the 200 classics are using universals FMS units - I have seen this happen before -- crew did not double check a manual way point or entered a fuel check way point that was not on the track (error in flight plan) and the last I would suspect is autopilot in heading mode instead of coupled -- I would like to see the cadors

[pelmet]

A lot of pilots have a tendency to tune in the occasional NDB while enroute in remote areas as a reference.

One ahead and one behind get's you there every time.

On a flight like that, I would suspect that you will be out of range of the destination NDB for a while. But a couple of enroute beacons have the potential to help detect a very large error when the needle is pointing off to one side when it should be on the other side. especially if you are familiar with the route. Not all routes have this but many do.

Admittedly, in a world of ATC radar or magenta lines from triple mixed IRS plus GPS installations for remote flying most airliners are not doing this but in a non-radar area where you don't have ATC back-up, it can save the day.

I suspect that it is quite possible to dispatch with GPS inoperative. Going from NDB to enroute NDB on such a flight can make things simpler as well when you are used to blindly following a GPS which seems to be reality even if we don't want to admit it.

[Changes in Latitudes]

The last post was likely close to what happened - even the 200 classics are using universals FMS units - I have seen this happen before -- crew did not double check a manual way point or entered a fuel check way point that was not on the track (error in flight plan) and the last I would suspect is autopilot in heading mode instead of coupled -- I would like to see the cadors

Good insight, that's my initial reaction. Here's the cadors, doesn't help.

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/c ... d2014C1147

[FICU]

On a flight like that, I would suspect that you will be out of range of the destination NDB for a while. But a couple of enroute beacons have the potential to help detect a very large error when the needle is pointing off to one side when it should be on the other side. especially if you are familiar with the route. Not all routes have this but many do.

Out of CYRT you have Coral Harbour ahead and beyond Coral and prior to Iqaluit is Cape Dorset. I have done this run many, many times and enroute NDB navigation monitoring is very easy.

I'm sure those of who fly up there would really like to know what happened and had they not been contacted by a company aircraft where would they have ended up?

[arctic_slim]

When I flew in the north out of boredom I would do suns true heading calculations and compare it to the automatic system to see how close it was. Helped me when flying planes that didn't have the "true Heading" button. It was always a nice way of knowing more or less where you're going when in the north. I think being more than 200 miles off course in unacceptable, but as usual, we're just speaking from our chairs. We don;'t know what was goling on in that cockpit at the time. Glad it turned out ok.

[Donald]

"OPI Further Action Required: No"

?!?

[TimothyK]

ABC

[CFR]

I want to hear the CVR!!!

[GyvAir]

The CADOR's was really badly written by a person that has never been in an airplane more than likely...

Did they get FlightAware to alter the track and time en route to corroborate the badly written report?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FAB9 ... /CYRT/CYFB

FAB955-1.JPG (43.85 KiB) Viewed 4218 times

FAB955-2.JPG (96.31 KiB) Viewed 4218 times

[FICU]

[Airmanship Police]

I would like to know how much fuel they had left in the tank and if they still could hold their alternate when they landed in YFB.

[Meddler]

Very interesting...on first glance that track doesnt make any sense because most of it is based on projected position not radar. Still...even with the most captivating movie on the ipad its not that hard to look up now and then to make sure you re still going more or less the right way...

[Meddler]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FAB9 ... B/tracklog

[GyvAir]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FAB9 ... B/tracklog

I wondered if someone would post the graph of the approach..
I have no expertise in interpreting a graph like that, but the question of "stabilized approach?" sure came to mind, especially after looking at the graphs for the same route flown on days before and after.