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he planned to get into air show flying later this year
Ok, I'd count him towards the 5% then. So,
it's not even July yet, and the count is four.
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Steen Skybolt, N619PD: Fatal accident occurred June 28, 2014 in Midlothian, Texas
NTSB Identification: CEN14FA325
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, June 28, 2014 in Midlothian, TX
Aircraft: DOYLE JAMES E SKYBOLT, registration: N619PD
Injuries: 1 Fatal.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. NTSB investigators either traveled in support of this investigation or conducted a significant amount of investigative work without any travel, and used data obtained from various sources to prepare this aircraft accident report.

On June 28, 2014, about 1625 central daylight time, a Skybolt experimental airplane, N619PD, was substantially damaged when it impacted terrain just west of the Mid-Way Regional Airport (KJWY), Midlothian/Waxahachie, Texas. The commercial pilot was fatally injured. The airplane was registered to and operated by a private individual under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 as a personal flight. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the flight, which operated without a flight plan. The local flight originated approximately 1600.

According to one witness, the pilot was performing aerobatic maneuvers within the designated aerobatic box. The pilot had just completed a shoulder roll and was maneuvering when the airplane entered a flat, inverted spin between 1,000 and 1,500 feet above ground level (agl). During the spin, the nose of the airplane appeared to drop as if the pilot was attempting to recover from the flat portion of the spin. Between 300 and 500 feet agl, the rotation stopped momentarily and then continued until the airplane impacted the ground.

The airplane came to rest, inverted, to the west of runway 18. The main wreckage included both bi-wing assemblies, the engine and propeller assembly, the fuselage, and the empennage. All components were located at the impact site.
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http://www.pittspecials.com/articles/aerobatics_low.htm

Sept 2011
Stalled Aerobatic Maneuvers

Now let’s look at the other category of aerobatic maneuvers, which I refer to as “out of control” maneuvers because they involve exceeding the stalling angle of attack of the wing.

Until you are completely comfortable recovering from any spin, you should NOT fly out of control maneuvers down low, because you are betting your life that you will be lucky.

Again, I cannot emphasize enough the importance of lots of experience and familiarity and skill before you start doing aerobatics down low. Please don’t hurry, and kill yourself.
Everyone around me is always in a tremendous
hurry. Sometimes they are successful and they
acquire all of the rest of their experience in one
day.

Jerzy, begin crapping on me from a great height
because, as usual, I haven't a frikken clue as to
what I am talking about.
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Colonel Sanders wrote: they often die during aerobatics NOT
at airshows (Paul Lopez, Freddy Cabanas) which
you don't count towards the 5%, but they are still
dead - or even non-aerobatic
What was the cause of the Cabanas accident? The Mexicans are unlikely to publish a report.
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Photographer in back seat grabbed stick
at low altitude, inverted while doing a 4-pt
roll.

I saw the video - you could see Freddy
trying to shake him off the stick. By
the time Freddy had control of the stick
again, they were nose-down, inverted, low.

Freddy tried to complete the roll, but they
hit the runway hard, upright, completing
sort of a 1/4 cloverleaf maneuver, travelling
sideways across the runway, splashing into
the jungle.

This all happened in tenths of a second.
Following is my armchair quarterbacking.

Couple of final lessons that my old pal
Freddy taught me:

1) no negative G aerobatics with a pax
down low

2) push the nose up at low altitude. Decathlon
had inverted systems.

I know I'm kind of weird, but I am really
interested to learn the lessons from these
kinds of accidents.

Most people have no interest in learning,
and want to re-learn the same fatal lesson
themselves, when it comes time for them
to face the same situation.

Anyways, we all die sometime, I guess.
Freddy had mountains of character and
personal integrity, something I find missing
these days. Incredible hands and feet,
and would assume levels of risk that would
make 99.999% of pilots run screaming out
of the room. And damn, he was a lot of fun
to be around. Where there was Freddy,
there was certain to be a legendary party,
like his New Year's eve parties at the Key
West airport, where the Bonanza had it's
beacon shot off by a potato cannon. Just
another evening with Freddy.

I miss my old friend.

Image

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Here's the latest, from Italy.

http://youtu.be/8HnBVgeMpdc
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Francesco Fornabaio, flew an Extra 300 up to a year ago then switched to his new plane. That day in Venice had low ceilings and viz, maybe a factor. Some discussion in Italian forums about issues with the vertical stabilizer, but all the ground shots look ok. GoPro on board, so we may get more, like with Fred Canabas.

Then there's the guy buzzing his pals with a T-28 and his mom on board that stoved in on a barrel roll. We got 5 for the year yet?

Jerz, any comments on these?

BTW, lots of grief with low level spins, Jerz stopped doing them, so have I.

On the good news side Jurgis Kairys bailed out of his Su-26 over the Agean Sea halfway between Kavala and Athens. Engine quit an hour into his flight at 3000'. He tied himself to some wreckage and prepared to swim all night to an island, but a SAR helicopter found him about 3 hours later. Jerz, any insights? Did he really bail out or just jettison the canopy?
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karmutzen wrote: On the good news side Jurgis Kairys bailed out of his Su-26 over the Agean Sea halfway between Kavala and Athens. Engine quit an hour into his flight at 3000'. He tied himself to some wreckage and prepared to swim all night to an island, but a SAR helicopter found him about 3 hours later.
That is awesome to read, the rescued part. I wonder what things he had to help out in being found. Mirror, personal locator transmitter, flares, strobe light, sat phone? Maybe nothing but the wreckage and some good spotters. Nice to see anyway.
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It's a tragic number that is never ending reminder
of the realities of life especially to those who wish to stay alive.

Hopefully someone will fill us in on how and why this accident occurred.

This is a video taken from one of his goPro the day before the accident, on saturday, same place, same program...
http://video.gelocal.it/nuovavenezia/lo ... 3920/34002

This video was taken a week before, during another airshow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJUy6OpPiwQ

http://www.snap-and-roll.com/news/item/ ... abaio.html



Monday, 22 September 2014 13:38
Italy mourns the death of Francesco Fornabaio
Written by Snap&Roll

The aerobatic and air show pilot Francesco Fornabio died during an air show on Sunday 21st after his plane crashed into the ground. He was performing a spin with his XA-41 for the “Fly Venice” air show hold at Nicely airport (Italy).



According to the preliminary reports and witnesses, the accident occurred when the plane continued to descend uncontrollably up to the point where it crashed into the beach area of Sant Nicolo.

“L’Agenzia nazionale per la sicurezza del volo”, the national safety agency, will carry out an investigation to determine the possible causes of the accident together with the Police and the firefighters.

Fornabio aged 57 was born in Sitgliano (Matera) and raised in Milan. He used to train in the province of Udine, in Campoformido. He was considered one of the most experienced aerobatic pilots in Italy and a symbol of the Italian school. His Friends, fans, and supporters posted on his Facebook wall a lot of sorrow and disbelief messages, expressing condolences. Fornabio was very specialized in the freestyle modality and he won the Italian championship this year in the unlimited category. He was a member of the Italian national aerobatics since 2002.

Thanks to his amazing skills and affection received from the public, Fornabaio was elected in 2010 to represent the prestigious aviation watch-maker Breitling in numerous international air shows and events.

Sources:

http://www.lastampa.it

http://www.aviatiamagazin.com

*Picture taken by one of his fans.
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David Jenkins -UK

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/video_galle ... _1_4044703

Jerz, you keeping count?
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Another one in Italy. Formation flight midair. One made it one didn't. Interesting footage of flipping a plane landing on water and then wondering how you're going to get out.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/01/spectator ... w-5224177/

http://rt.com/news/263761-planes-collide-italy-beach/
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karmutzen wrote:Another one in Italy. Formation flight midair. One made it one didn't. Interesting footage of flipping a plane landing on water and then wondering how you're going to get out.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/01/spectator ... w-5224177/
Footage of the water landing from the side shows the canopy fully slid back before touchdown, and footage of it going over shows the canopy fully closed... There is no lock when the canopy is open, so it's likely that it slammed shut as soon as it touched the water.

In any case, the spectators lifted the airplane, the canopy opened, and that pilot walked away. The other aircraft lost a wing, and the pilot did not survive.
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And O'Berg in his S2B today makes 3 this year. 2 more to go.
https://youtu.be/Ki-F0EWVtJ8

No coincidence it is a similar manoeuver to 3 of the last four airshow fatalities.
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Sad.. But tumbles and spins dont always go exctly the same way. Not meaning any disrespect to pilot but I always try to understand what went wrong for obvious resons of self preservation. Some thoughts based in a few looks at the video.

This looks like an attemt to tumble but at too high an airspeed and too shallow an upward vector. Result is an inverted snap/spin from more or less horizontal flight rather than a tumble on an upward trajectory. That followed by an understandably rushed inverted spin recovery which instead crossed over to an upright spin which was then recovered normally but power was not reapplied in the subsequent pullout thus eating still more altitude.

Essentially three things in a row that lead to the crash, any of them being done by the book could have possibly prevented it however the main cause appears incorrect airspeed climb angle for the tumble. I.e the entry gate was violated and physics is not very forgiving from that point on.

The pilot appears to be extremely experienced as are most that get bitten this way.
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That video was hard to watch.

The older I get the bigger the yellow stripe down my back gets. When I do aerobatics, and I will readily admit my skills are not in the same league, I leave a lot of room under me to fix any f*uckups on my part. The take home for any recreational aerobatic pilot is even the pro's mess up and and when you are that close to the ground there is no second chance.

I respect the level of skill of these low level aerobatic performers but the fatal accident rate is ridiculous. I am really starting to wonder if the show is worth it........
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Well, we got our last 2 over the weekend, looks like an overbanked Cessna (like that American B-52 a few years back)in Boliviahttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... nt-6226648, and a Gnat in the UKhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shire.html

Forgot the one in Russia. http://video.latino.foxnews.com/v/43962 ... -air-show/

And the Irish BD-5J at about the same time. http://www.pilotweb.aero/news/bede_bd_5 ... _1_4170905. Over 7 and only early August.

Found some footage of the Gnat. http://youtu.be/j-ar0KCMHGo. Not such a mystery, split-s (or reverse Cuban) too low, not enough pitch up at initiation, possibly due to lower ceiling. Subsequent tight pull half snapped him around into the ground. RIP, he left a young family behind.
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karmutzen wrote:Found some footage of the Gnat. http://youtu.be/j-ar0KCMHGo. Not such a mystery, split-s (or reverse Cuban) too low, not enough pitch up at initiation, possibly due to lower ceiling. Subsequent tight pull half snapped him around into the ground. RIP, he left a young family behind.
It's hard to tell exactly from the camera angle, but it looks to me like it was a flat manoeuver, not a split S or Cuban. Just a "tight turn away from the crowd" that pulled too much G and initiated a snap.
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I think we are well over 5 % now.....
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Early rumours have the NY Giles 202 with a structural failure separating the tail from the fuselage. https://youtu.be/4LG_G8m6cjw

Not sure if we can add the New Shoreham pilot yet, he's still in a coma. 11 bystanders dead though. Swiss airshow the next day had a fatality from the three formation of C42B that mid-air'd.

Way over 5% this year.
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