SID's inspection

[lost in the north]

Is the new sid's inspection on the 100 series aircraft for private or only commercial? Or both.

[hoptwoit]

For commercial it would depend on how your MPM MCM. are set up and how they say will will address manufactures SB and so on.
For private it would not apply.

[Colonel Sanders]

Is there a POI in existence that would approve
a MCM without it requiring compliance with SB's?

I was told by a POI that even private aircraft
had to comply with all SB's. I did not argue the
point.

[iflyforpie]

That's when you keep asking someone else until you get the answer you want.

Technically.... the only thing private aircraft have to comply with is CAR 625 App B and C... which is a real generic version of a 100 hour inspection combined with calendar out-of-phase items. There is nothing about SIDs or Service Bulletins in there.

However...

There is this 'Item #10' which reads.

Miscellaneous items not otherwise covered by this listing.

I've never heard anything from TCCA or anyone else about this... but I am imagining it is a 'catch all' item like CAR 602.01 is to General Operating and Flight Rules. By that I mean.... if there happens to be a mechanical or structural failure as a result of this... one that could have been prevented by complying with one of Cessna's SIDs.... and it results in death or injuries to persons... that most likely it would be blamed on improper maintenance of the aircraft.

Whether it would be the operator of the aircraft... not giving detailed instructions of what exactly to do under Item #10... or the AME for not exhaustively complying with every possible maintenance requirement applicable to the aircraft--while keeping the annual inspection slightly less than a double mortgage payment--remains to be seen.

A commercial customer of mine with an older 172 was crying the blues upon realization that he has to replace his gear u-bolts every 1000 hours for over $1000 plus re and re.... but he was really happy when I told him that he did not have to do the wing strut NDT because his plane has less than 12,000 hours.

On commercial... you can write out lots of those SIDs or at least extend the intervals in your MSA. I know a few guys who managed to do it outright without an initial inspection. Our guy wanted us to do the initial inspection and base any interval increases or elimination of tasks based on our findings... which is reasonable.

Another thing to note is that if you do Cessna's CPCP program... only hard times for the recurring SIDs apply, not calendar times.

[boeingboy]

Another thing to note is that if you do Cessna's CPCP program... only hard times for the recurring SIDs apply, not calendar times

Where did you find that? Eveything I keep reading says "x 000 hrs or x years - whichever occurs first"

[iflyforpie]

Where did you find that? Eveything I keep reading says "x 000 hrs or x years - whichever occurs first"

If you go to the pages that give the details of the inspection in Section 2A.. like Supplemental Inspection Number: 27-20-01 for example (They're all ATA Chapter numbers.. something that I find helpful being a former M2 guy).. and you look at the Inspection Compliance... it will say the usual BS... Initial: Hours or Years; Repeat: Hours or Years.

Right next to it, it says (NOTE)

You find that note (in my 172 Service Manual with all of the revisions anyways, others are similar) on the last page of 2A-14-00 which says.. among other things:

If the INITIAL inspection has been completed and a CPCP is in effect, then REPEAT inspections are based entirely on flight hours.

This doesn't get you out of the initial inspections... my wording might have been confusing... but the repeat inspections aren't required to be calendar items. The CPCP is 100% calendar based though... with a 5 year cycle to go through all repeat inspections.

[boeingboy]

Hmmm...i'll have to look at that again a little closer. Im still wrapping my head around the initial inspections. Basicly the whole airplane needs to be taken apart. One thing I'm still trying to figure out is if the wings actually need to come off. I think they do as you cannot properly inspect the wing mounting blocks without taking off the wings.

[boeingboy]

With regaurds to legallity - I'm going to be doing most if not all of them anyways - but here is the word from COPA and TC:

Cessna 100 Series Supplemental Structural Inspection Document (SSID)
Monday, May. 12, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Patrick Gilligan, COPA v-p operations
Cessna has issued an SSID (can be obtained by subscription from Cessna https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/dyn ... dynVal=240 ) to address aging aircraft issues that they perceive are not being adequately covered by annual and other inspections. The SSID is extensive and has the potential to ground many aircraft.


COPA has been approached by some members regarding whether or not SSIDs are mandatory.


First of all, SSIDs, Service Bulletins and other manufacturer developed documents are not mandatory for privately registered aircraft unless accompanied by an Airworthiness Directive (AD) that has been accepted or issued by Transport Canada.

Having said that, if you do not specifically direct your mechanic to conduct your annual maintenance inspection in accordance with CAR Standard 625 Appendix B Part I for aircraft other than balloons, then the mechanic is free to create a maintenance schedule that complies with the TC requirements and seek approval from TC, including incorporation of SSIDs and other non-mandatory requirements.

But in any event he/she should not be doing this without keeping the owner in the loop, including getting the owner’s approval for any additional items that are not covered by CAR Standard 625 Appendix B Part I http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... b-2459.htm plus any applicable ADs.

COPA is aware of a few countries that have mandated the Cessna 100 Series SSID so I asked Transport Canada’s Yosha Mendis for the status of this issue. Here is his response:
“The SIDs have been mandated by a couple of countries, not the U.S. and so far FAA does not seem to be heading that way. At TC, we are looking into mandating at least some parts of the SIDs but nothing specific yet and no real time scale.”
COPA requested to be kept in the loop and we will update members when anything develops.