Page 1 of 1
This is insane
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:21 am
by bmc
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:41 pm
by single_swine_herder
Yup ... I think I'm getting the hang of posting here .... let me give it a try ....
I'll bet that none of the so-called "4 bars" in the AvCanada Brain Trust that use checklists couldn't possibly pull that off ..... that was flown by "a real pilot" with fabulous stick & rudder skills that should be the envy of every one of the Bozos that drop in here thinking they know how to fly.
Did I get it right? After all, like many of you, I have a desire to join the herd of like-minded pilots and not be on the margins of professionalism.
I do have one question though .... if this fellow was so excellent, why did he have to use the long grass segment and not the short grass portion?
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:41 pm
by Big Pistons Forever
I am guessing this guy is not going to die in bed of old age.......
To me this crosses the line from "WOW that is pretty amazing flying" to "That is just plain dumb"
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:37 pm
by iflyforpie
There's only one record for lowest flight ever.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:07 pm
by Colonel Sanders
Even a four-bars could have done that upright -
it's called a "side-slip". Ask your co-pilot to
explain it to you.
Would have been more impressive inverted.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:46 pm
by Condorito
Colonel Sanders wrote:Even a four-bars could have done that upright -
it's called a "side-slip". Ask your co-pilot to
explain it to you.
Would have been more impressive inverted.
Ok, why don't you record yourself doing that and post it here then?
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:24 am
by Colonel Sanders
Sure. You first. People take offense when I
post too many photos and videos here, so
why don't you post yours first?
Far be it from me to ever correct the self-declared
AvCan Four Bar Brain Trust (tm) but this trick used
to be a staple of the airshow crowd, many years
ago.
You may have heard of a book called "Jonathon
Livingston Seagull", written by a guy called Richard
Bach (or not - you're probably too young) who used
to fly a Pitts on the airshow circuit many years ago,
and he used to do this.
And he's just a guy who writes books, not a proud
Four Bars that struts around an airport terminal.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:41 pm
by Condorito
Colonel Sanders wrote:Sure. You first. People take offense when I
post too many photos and videos here, so
why don't you post yours first?
Far be it from me to ever correct the self-declared
AvCan Four Bar Brain Trust (tm) but this trick used
to be a staple of the airshow crowd, many years
ago.
You may have heard of a book called "Jonathon
Livingston Seagull", written by a guy called Richard
Bach (or not - you're probably too young) who used
to fly a Pitts on the airshow circuit many years ago,
and he used to do this.
And he's just a guy who writes books, not a proud
Four Bars that struts around an airport terminal.
No way man! Im a shitty pilot. I would crash right away. I only fly like 50 hours a year.Pathetic.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:50 pm
by Colonel Sanders
The best pilots in the world (sure as hell not me)
only fly 40 hours a year (no typo), unlike the
proud, strutting four bars, who log thousands
of hours watching an auto-pilot fly.
I reall doubt that you have any idea who they are.
Anyways, you fly more than the best pilots
in the world. Post your video of the pickup.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:40 pm
by Big Pistons Forever
iflyforpie wrote:There's only one record for lowest flight ever.
Nobody has ever broke that record but too many have tied it.......
Re: This is insane
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:13 pm
by benoit.baril
Big Pistons Forever wrote:iflyforpie wrote:There's only one record for lowest flight ever.
Nobody has ever broke that record but too many have tied it.......
Has anybody crashed on the shores of the Dead Sea in Jordan? If not, there can still be hopes of breaking that record.

Re: This is insane
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:39 pm
by Colonel Sanders
Re: This is insane
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:15 am
by TG
pffff......Chicken!
Flags should have been set on the ground ahead of his flight path.
Where they had the grass clean cut!
Want to know how it is done!?
Ask the Chinese.

Re: This is insane
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:32 am
by single_swine_herder
Now there's a real pilot ... thanks for showing us a great aviator TG
Re: This is insane
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:10 am
by Blakey
Colonel Sanders wrote:You may have heard of a book called "Jonathon
Livingston Seagull", written by a guy called Richard
Bach (or not - you're probably too young) who used
to fly a Pitts on the airshow circuit many years ago,
and he used to do this.
And he's just a guy who writes books, not a proud
Four Bars that struts around an airport terminal.
Richard Bach flew a Pitts? I'd only heard of his flying a Detroit Parks Speedster on the airshow circuit.
He did do a bit of flying outside the circuit though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crash.html
Re: This is insane
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:28 pm
by CpnCrunch
I'm pretty sure even a 4-bars could land on a runway without hitting telephone wires. It looks like he also ground-looped a P51:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief ... 4936&key=0
Re: This is insane
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:59 pm
by Pop n Fresh
The good old days when you could merely be a well off pilot, buy a P-51 and go flying around with 28 hours. You would probably have to be a multi millionaire to afford insurance to try that today even if you owned the P-51 outright.
I saw a guy drag the wing of a black piper cub. No one accused him of wrong doing and there were a lot of more experienced pilots hanging around the airport that day watching him than me. He was wearing a white shirt but there were no epaulettes.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:09 pm
by CpnCrunch
Pop n Fresh wrote:The good old days when you could merely be a well off pilot, buy a P-51 and go flying around with 28 hours. You would probably have to be a multi millionaire to afford insurance to try that today even if you owned the P-51 outright.
Well he did sell a million copies of his book in 1970, so I assume that is how he was able to afford the P51. 14 knot wind.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:13 pm
by Pop n Fresh
My point exactly. You'd have to be that Just Kidding Rowly guy to afford a P-51 now days.
Now I have to check my pants because of that scary wind speed you wrote.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:25 pm
by AirFrame
CpnCrunch wrote:Well he did sell a million copies of his book in 1970, so I assume that is how he was able to afford the P51. 14 knot wind.
I heard him speak at the Arlington Fly-In one year, he talked about owning the P-51. Said he regretted buying it, it was the most boring thing he'd ever flown. Sure it was fast, and sure it was aerobatic, but he said it lacked the feeling of connectedness to his flying that he had in many other airplanes.
Also, owning it left a bad taste in his mouth... I'm not sure if it was the groundloop incident, but one time he had just replaced the entire avionics stack in the P-51, and then shortly thereafter had an off-runway incident that collapsed the gear. Nothing more than that, it was upright, intact, and everything shut down and turned off and secured before the fire trucks arrived. He told the fire chief that everything was off, nothing was broken that could cause any fires, basically, to stand down. When they put him into the ambulance to get checked out, the fire crew filled the cockpit and covered the front of the airplane with fire-retardant foam.
His P-51 was the "commercialized" version that was sold for a while after the war... Cavalier, I think?
Re: This is insane
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:42 pm
by cgzro
I suspect a p51 with collapsed gear means new 150k prop, 300k plus engine overhaul and spar damage if one gear only collapsed 750k? give or take?
So foamed avionics would seem relatively "minor"

but I do see his point in absolute terms.
Re: This is insane
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:44 am
by CpnCrunch
cgzro wrote:I suspect a p51 with collapsed gear means new 150k prop, 300k plus engine overhaul and spar damage if one gear only collapsed 750k? give or take?
So foamed avionics would seem relatively "minor"

but I do see his point in absolute terms.
1% problems

Re: This is insane
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:39 am
by Big Pistons Forever
Colonel Sanders wrote:

I note that Bob Hoover is balancing the aircraft on one wheel, a whole different thing than doing the same thing with the aircraft in flight. I challenge you to produce a picture of Mr Hoover with the wing as close to the ground as the guy in the video, while in flight........
Re: This is insane
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:10 am
by Colonel Sanders
the P-51. Said he regretted buying it, it was the most boring thing he'd ever flown.
Exactly!! It's fast but it won't turn worth beans
and the controls are ridiculously heavy at speed.
Not an enjoyable aircraft to fly. Also a huge
maintenance pig, and it rapidly overheats on
the ground as soon as you start it. I really don't
like liquid cooled engines.
Contrast that with say an L39, which is far cheaper,
much nicer to fly, and much more reliable, and not
even 1% of the maintenance. Faster, too but I'm
not sure that really matters.
The warbird crowd is sure to burn me in effigy,
but I really love WWII radial engines. Great sound,
much easier to live with.