Sorry you Alberta pilots, you can't fly in the USA

[Big Pistons Forever]

From the FAA Aeronautical Information Manual

Para 4-9-9(g)

Self-Announce Position and/or Intentions

1. General. Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF. This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots stating, “Traffic in the area, please advise” is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition

[leftoftrack]

How about courtesy pilots. Confilctions please advise

[Liquid Charlie]

How about courtesy pilots. Confilctions please advise

-- not sure what that means - and when spelled properly still is a very silly and unnecessary phrase that just takes up band width -- lmfaooooooo --

con·flict (knflkt)
n.
1. A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle or war.
2. A state of disharmony between incompatible or antithetical persons, ideas, or interests; a clash.
3. Psychology A psychic struggle, often unconscious, resulting from the opposition or simultaneous functioning of mutually exclusive impulses, desires, or tendencies.
4. Opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction, especially opposition that motivates or shapes the action of the plot.
intr.v. (kn-flkt) con·flict·ed, con·flict·ing, con·flicts
1. To be in or come into opposition; differ.
2. Archaic To engage in warfare.
[Middle English, from Latin cnflctus, collision, from past participle of cnflgere, to strike together : com-, com- + flgere, to strike.]
con·fliction n.
con·flictive adj.
con·flictu·al (kn-flkch-l) adj.
Synonyms: conflict, contest, combat, fight
These nouns denote struggle between opposing forces for victory or supremacy. Conflict applies both to open fighting between hostile groups and to a struggle between antithetical forces: "The kind of victory MacArthur had in mind . . . victory by expanding the conflict to all of Chinawould have been the wrong kind of victory" (Harry S. Truman). "Fortunately analysis is not the only way to resolve inner conflicts" (Karen Horney).
Contest can refer either to friendly competition or to a hostile struggle to achieve an objective: a spelling contest; the gubernatorial contest.
Combat most commonly implies an encounter between two armed persons or groups: "Alexander had appeared to him, armed for combat" (Connop Thirlwall).
Fight usually refers to a clash involving individual adversaries: A fight was scheduled between the world boxing champion and the challenger. "There is nothing I love as much as a good fight" (Franklin D. Roosevelt). See Also Synonyms at discord.

[leftoftrack]

How about courtesy pilots. Confilctions please advise

-- not sure what that means - and when spelled properly still is a very silly and unnecessary phrase that just takes up band width -- lmfaooooooo --

con·flict (knflkt)
n.
1. A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle or war.
2. A state of disharmony between incompatible or antithetical persons, ideas, or interests; a clash.
3. Psychology A psychic struggle, often unconscious, resulting from the opposition or simultaneous functioning of mutually exclusive impulses, desires, or tendencies.
4. Opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction, especially opposition that motivates or shapes the action of the plot.
intr.v. (kn-flkt) con·flict·ed, con·flict·ing, con·flicts
1. To be in or come into opposition; differ.
2. Archaic To engage in warfare.
[Middle English, from Latin cnflctus, collision, from past participle of cnflgere, to strike together : com-, com- + flgere, to strike.]
con·fliction n.
con·flictive adj.
con·flictu·al (kn-flkch-l) adj.
Synonyms: conflict, contest, combat, fight
These nouns denote struggle between opposing forces for victory or supremacy. Conflict applies both to open fighting between hostile groups and to a struggle between antithetical forces: "The kind of victory MacArthur had in mind . . . victory by expanding the conflict to all of Chinawould have been the wrong kind of victory" (Harry S. Truman). "Fortunately analysis is not the only way to resolve inner conflicts" (Karen Horney).
Contest can refer either to friendly competition or to a hostile struggle to achieve an objective: a spelling contest; the gubernatorial contest.
Combat most commonly implies an encounter between two armed persons or groups: "Alexander had appeared to him, armed for combat" (Connop Thirlwall).
Fight usually refers to a clash involving individual adversaries: A fight was scheduled between the world boxing champion and the challenger. "There is nothing I love as much as a good fight" (Franklin D. Roosevelt). See Also Synonyms at discord.

They actually say "conflictions please advise" I'm not sure if that is a word so I don't know if I'm not spelling a non word correctly?

[co-joe]

The USAF uses the phrase "deconfliction" to mean keep from killing your wingman and yourself. It's not a word but it is you know?

[Shiny Side Up]

Alberta pilots, my ass. Guys say this in french in Quebec. Personally I believe someone infiltrated our military who's a proponent of its use and now is probably a General or something. At least by the way its used by all the new trainees.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Alberta pilots, my ass. Guys say this in french in Quebec. Personally I believe someone infiltrated our military who's a proponent of its use and now is probably a General or something. At least by the way its used by all the new trainees.

Figured my Alberta reference would get a reaction , but seriously maybe it is only just me, but I find the worst offenders seem to be the product of Alberta FTU's, not that that this stupid phrase is only confined to them, just that it is over represented there.

[7ECA]

Helped ferry a one of four C172R's back from Ontario in September. First day of flying in Ontario, ended up in Marathon, never once heard the dreaded phrase.

Second day, crossing the Manitoba border, it started, and never stopped, until we shut down on the third day in Pitt Meadows. Passing Portage la Prairie, Moose Jaw, et el, we kept on hearing military trainees repeating it over and over again, Hawk Trainers, Harvard IIs, helicopters, etc. While we were on the ground at Swift Current, a Hawk II did a low approach, and sure enough, the pilot said ACTPA at least four times...

And yes, I will agree that the Prairies seem to be the worst for hearing ACTPA over the radio. For sure it is in BC, but it only seems to occur, when some moron says it in a practice area, then it spreads to the other morons there, but eventually seems to more or less go away.

[Rookie50]

Helped ferry a one of four C172R's back from Ontario in September. First day of flying in Ontario, ended up in Marathon, never once heard the dreaded phrase.

Second day, crossing the Manitoba border, it started, and never stopped, until we shut down on the third day in Pitt Meadows. Passing Portage la Prairie, Moose Jaw, et el, we kept on hearing military trainees repeating it over and over again, Hawk Trainers, Harvard IIs, helicopters, etc. While we were on the ground at Swift Current, a Hawk II did a low approach, and sure enough, the pilot said ACTPA at least four times...

And yes, I will agree that the Prairies seem to be the worst for hearing ACTPA over the radio. For sure it is in BC, but it only seems to occur, when some moron says it in a practice area, then it spreads to the other morons there, but eventually seems to more or less go away.

Sorry to disappoint, it's alive and well in the GTA as well -- but less around my home airport

[cgzro]

Flying Gatineau to Quebec north of Montreal a month ago 126.7 was alive and well with the dreaded expression in both official languages and generally cluttering things up. i'd say that 99% of all comms used the expression, me being the exception.

[trampbike]

At least by the way its used by all the new trainees.

Not all of 'em!
Some are still resisting.
Same goes for instructors.

[Liquid Charlie]

original post ---

Confilctions please advise

-- now that was typo --just yanking your chain and as pointed out by so many the most redundant, ridiculous and useless phrase ever xmitted over the airways so why do people insist on using it -- beats the sh1t outa me --

[Pop n Fresh]

I'm going to be saying, "Buddy lookin' for conflicting traffic say again?" Let them shpeal then say, "Oh jeez I'm not even close."

[7ECA]

Sorry to disappoint, it's alive and well in the GTA as well -- but less around my home airport

Funny, because leaving Buttonville, we ended up going to Waterloo, and then through the Owen Sound area towards Marathon, and never heard it once. On the second day, leaving Marathon, we were near Thunder Bay/Kenora, and could hear guys coming and going to Red Lake, not a single ACTPA.

Crossing the border into Manitoba, some guy in a Cherokee, was making position reports every five minutes, and always ended with ACTPA.

And then it just continued on with other recreational aircraft, student pilots, military pilots, all the way back. It did seem to drop off as we got into Calgary, but that was probably only because it was getting around dusk.

[New_PIC]

One of my most recent instructors used the phrase during a lesson. And yes, it was in Alberta. I suppose I should have tried to correct him but at the time I just cringed. He did show me a lot of good stuff as well. Sometimes you have to pick what to pay attention to and what to ignore.

[niss]

I like to run the Cherokee in stealth mode with the xpdr off, and I deliberately ignore those conflict please advise calls. I then stalk my prey, wait to overtake them at just the right angle and throw bags of dog poop out the window.

They call me the phantom poop bandit of southern ontario. From ftu to ftu they speak legend of me. That if one day you ask for any conflicting to advise, you may just get a glimps of the phantom poop bandit as your windscreen explodes in a burst of colour ranging from dark brown to dark green.

[trampbike]

niss, we missed you so much

[B-rad]

theres a ton of moaning about it on AcCanada but why not call the offenders out when they broadcast it???? if you are going to put up with it when it happens then please don't bitch about it after the fact. It bothers me that everyone makes it out like its a big deal but only behind doors when there is nothing going to be done about it.
Point it out to them when you hear it, talk about it at work with others, mention it to junior pilots and lets squash it. It's pointless and while it seams to roll off the tongue so easily, it is a bad habit and adds nothing!

[RatherBeFlying]

In the time it takes for one of the 126.7 elocutionists to work their way through their spiel, a major airport tower can handle an easy half dozen aircraft movements

[B-rad]

Who you are
Where you are
What you are doing

Plain and simple. if people had to pay per syllable spoken they would learn how to do a proper radio call. Less is more.

Anyone who's opinion is conflicting with mine can please advise B-rad on AvCanada via PM, again, anyone disagreeing with what I have to say can please advise me via PM or public post. I'm at home, alone, drinking, and going to be switching to porn soon so please advise if your opinion is conflicting with mine. Bravo Romeo Alpha Didlo.

[complexintentions]

The USAF uses the phrase "deconfliction" to mean keep from killing your wingman and yourself. It's not a word but it is you know?

Weeelllll...actually (when spelled properly) deconfliction is both a real word and a real service. Used in the UK extensively.

A Deconfliction Service provides the pilot with traffic information and deconfliction advice on conflicting aircraft. However, the avoidance of other aircraft is ultimately the pilot’s responsibility. A Deconfliction Service contains the information available in a Basic Service. In addition, controllers shall aim to assist the pilot with his responsibility for the safety of the aircraft by passing traffic information and deconfliction advice. Headings and/or levels will also be issued for positioning, sequencing and/or deconfliction advice.

http://airspacesafety.com/atsocas/

http://www.check-flight.com/deconflict.html

[Liquid Charlie]

One of the best stories -- coming out of the north with a bunch of expo fans (this was relayed to me by the then chief pilot who was sitting in the left seat at the time) -- handed over to montreal arrivals and the f/o immediately transmits "trafic in the montreal area -- bla bla -------" lmfaooooo -- priceless --

The issue is the verbal diarrhea - not so much what is said - many times these excessive - long winded traffic advisories establish that there is no one within many miles because there is no answer and because the airspace is so busy all you hear all day is traffic advisories and while I personally only advise on the MF close in many choose to also xmit on 126.7 as well but ironically they do it so fast and flip frequencies immediately when you do call them they have blocked you with their second xmission so never hear you when you call on the mf - now you just add to the confusion because you are playing what frequency are you on -- if you xmit a traffic advisory listening is also part of it -- and 50 enroute advisories for a one hour flight -- fuk me -- and vfr altitudes in IMC wtf ---

And the beat goes on, beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da

[vanNostrum]

Some time in the eighties I flew YOW to YTZ with AirOntario and wanting to learn from the pros I brought along a VHF receiver to listen to the pilots.
ATC was weak inside the plane [ Shorts turboprop ? ] but I was elated the pilots were 5x5 and wouln't miss anything.
Enroute we made a brief stop at YPQ and as soon we were off R27 one of the pilots made a lenghty self-announce call fallowed by '' any conflicting traffic in the area please advise'' I thought it sounded very cool

[Liquid Charlie]

eighties I flew YOW to YTZ with AirOntario and wanting to learn from the pros I brought along a VHF receiver to listen to the pilots.
ATC was weak inside the plane [ Shorts turboprop ?

-- i'm thinking it could not have been air ontario -- they operated cv580's back then -- could that have been air otonabee in a sanders st27 --- 19 passenger turbo prop --

[vanNostrum]

Thanks for refreshing my memory it was indeed Air Atonabee and the Saunders. I believe the fare was around $ 80 return same day.It beat the hell out of driving 900 km in one day.