ARE WE LOSING THE RIGHT TO PROTEST?
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ARE WE LOSING THE RIGHT TO PROTEST?
If you read my posts, I am not an “anti vaxer”.
I gave it careful thought, and am double vaxed. I generally support the government’s position on most of their policies and responses to a very difficult health crisis. I am an unabashed supporter of health care workers and have little tolerance for the BS spewed on this forum.
I don’t write lightly, that is, about the truckers protest approaching Ottawa. I saw them cross through Toronto today, and saw many on overpasses cheering them on.
The response by media and political leaders, has been shocking in Canada and should give everyone pause.
The innuendo stops barely short of calling this group organized terrorists, and stops barely short of condemning the essential principle of peaceful protest in Canada. This is unacceptable. Read the media coverage.
Its not hard to see any future protests against the government, without evidence, instantly denounced as Nazi’s, homophobic, racist, terrorist, or any other inflammatory label, in the name of quelling any dissent. These words should not be used flippantly, but have been applied to this entire group of truckers, notable in their size.
Where will we be in 10 years? Appointing Trudeau dictator for life? Shame on the media for their inflammatory coverage of this peaceful convoy.
“The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa, or who are holding unacceptable views that they're expressing, do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for each other," Trudeau told a news conference today.”
Unacceptable views? Define this!
“Transport Minister Omar Alghabra said he is “concerned about the small number of far-right, vocal opposition that is polluting much of our political debate.”
What does that mean? Define it. Anything right of YOUR views?
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh has denounced the convoy and accused its organizers of voicing "inflammatory, divisive and hateful comments."
That is not true. The organizers have explicitly called for a peaceful protest.
I ask: Is the right to peaceful protest still alive in Canada? it’s important.
Cause next time — it might be YOU protesting something else, and then demonized as hateful, homophobic, racist and a terrorist, just for gathering on Parliament Hill, holding a sign.
https://www.cp24.com/news/trucker-prote ... -1.5756715
I gave it careful thought, and am double vaxed. I generally support the government’s position on most of their policies and responses to a very difficult health crisis. I am an unabashed supporter of health care workers and have little tolerance for the BS spewed on this forum.
I don’t write lightly, that is, about the truckers protest approaching Ottawa. I saw them cross through Toronto today, and saw many on overpasses cheering them on.
The response by media and political leaders, has been shocking in Canada and should give everyone pause.
The innuendo stops barely short of calling this group organized terrorists, and stops barely short of condemning the essential principle of peaceful protest in Canada. This is unacceptable. Read the media coverage.
Its not hard to see any future protests against the government, without evidence, instantly denounced as Nazi’s, homophobic, racist, terrorist, or any other inflammatory label, in the name of quelling any dissent. These words should not be used flippantly, but have been applied to this entire group of truckers, notable in their size.
Where will we be in 10 years? Appointing Trudeau dictator for life? Shame on the media for their inflammatory coverage of this peaceful convoy.
“The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa, or who are holding unacceptable views that they're expressing, do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for each other," Trudeau told a news conference today.”
Unacceptable views? Define this!
“Transport Minister Omar Alghabra said he is “concerned about the small number of far-right, vocal opposition that is polluting much of our political debate.”
What does that mean? Define it. Anything right of YOUR views?
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh has denounced the convoy and accused its organizers of voicing "inflammatory, divisive and hateful comments."
That is not true. The organizers have explicitly called for a peaceful protest.
I ask: Is the right to peaceful protest still alive in Canada? it’s important.
Cause next time — it might be YOU protesting something else, and then demonized as hateful, homophobic, racist and a terrorist, just for gathering on Parliament Hill, holding a sign.
https://www.cp24.com/news/trucker-prote ... -1.5756715
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I agree with your general message. I am quite surprised that the event is mostly ignored by the political leaders. That means the protest will either die out, or grow bigger until it can't be ignored anymore.
Calling them names to ignore the actual message is a cheap tactic. Regardless of party ideology.
I have quite a bit of sympathy for the protestors. Even though I don't agree with some major parts of their message, they deserve to be heard.
Calling them names to ignore the actual message is a cheap tactic. Regardless of party ideology.
I have quite a bit of sympathy for the protestors. Even though I don't agree with some major parts of their message, they deserve to be heard.
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This is exactly how I know you are in fact antivax

Joking aside, I find it tiring that everyone starts the conversation this way. It’s like we are so afraid to offend people.
Two years of posts that aged like a fine cheddar.
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I'm pretty sure Trudeau needed new underpants when he heard that $6M has been donated to cover the convoy costs. Nothing speaks to politicians like money, and the causes it's donated to.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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I’m putting in context. I probably don’t agree with the truckers. Not sure.WellThatAgedWell wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:50 pmThis is exactly how I know you are in fact antivax![]()
Joking aside, I find it tiring that everyone starts the conversation this way. It’s like we are so afraid to offend people.
I DO vehemently support someone's right to be heard without automatically being called a terrorist, homophobic racist.
This labelling is becoming a pattern for those who don’t agree with the Liberals.
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Every bridge along my city's 401 corridor was filled with Canadians in support of truckers tonight. They're being called anti-vax, extremists, etc. They're not anti vax. They're anti "government regulations" that are trying to control (increasingly) our every day life in every aspect. I was talking to a farmer today and how draconic the farming regulations have become in the last 5 years. It's too much to go into detail. The far left has a very quick way to shut everyone down. They automatically accuse them of being X Y or Z type of "extremist".
I'm full vaccinated, boosted, etc. and I still support our truckers. Imagine all the Canadians came together to support us when we gathered at YYZ (or other airports) to protest the draconic travel rules the Federal Government put into place in 2020. What has that done to our industry? What has changed in the last two years? We did our part. We social distanced, we wore masks, worked from home, denied our children interaction with other kids... etc. etc. etc. What has the government done to alleviate the stress on the health care system? How many beds did we add? How many nurses, doctors, RTs, etc etc etc. did we hire?
I'm full vaccinated, boosted, etc. and I still support our truckers. Imagine all the Canadians came together to support us when we gathered at YYZ (or other airports) to protest the draconic travel rules the Federal Government put into place in 2020. What has that done to our industry? What has changed in the last two years? We did our part. We social distanced, we wore masks, worked from home, denied our children interaction with other kids... etc. etc. etc. What has the government done to alleviate the stress on the health care system? How many beds did we add? How many nurses, doctors, RTs, etc etc etc. did we hire?
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Justin is hiding out. Said he got exposed to a Covid
. How convenient the timing was. Wonder if he’s hiding out in the Diefenbunker and watching Netflix?
He will have to surface again eventually.
Your right to protest will only end when you give it up.


Your right to protest will only end when you give it up.
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Jagmeets brother donated a record $13,000 to the Freedom Convoy as well but asked for it back. Hmmmrookiepilot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:42 pm If you read my posts, I am not an “anti vaxer”.
I gave it careful thought, and am double vaxed. I generally support the government’s position on most of their policies and responses to a very difficult health crisis. I am an unabashed supporter of health care workers and have little tolerance for the BS spewed on this forum.
I don’t write lightly, that is, about the truckers protest approaching Ottawa. I saw them cross through Toronto today, and saw many on overpasses cheering them on.
The response by media and political leaders, has been shocking in Canada and should give everyone pause.
The innuendo stops barely short of calling this group organized terrorists, and stops barely short of condemning the essential principle of peaceful protest in Canada. This is unacceptable. Read the media coverage.
Its not hard to see any future protests against the government, without evidence, instantly denounced as Nazi’s, homophobic, racist, terrorist, or any other inflammatory label, in the name of quelling any dissent. These words should not be used flippantly, but have been applied to this entire group of truckers, notable in their size.
Where will we be in 10 years? Appointing Trudeau dictator for life? Shame on the media for their inflammatory coverage of this peaceful convoy.
“The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa, or who are holding unacceptable views that they're expressing, do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for each other," Trudeau told a news conference today.”
Unacceptable views? Define this!
“Transport Minister Omar Alghabra said he is “concerned about the small number of far-right, vocal opposition that is polluting much of our political debate.”
What does that mean? Define it. Anything right of YOUR views?
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh has denounced the convoy and accused its organizers of voicing "inflammatory, divisive and hateful comments."
That is not true. The organizers have explicitly called for a peaceful protest.
I ask: Is the right to peaceful protest still alive in Canada? it’s important.
Cause next time — it might be YOU protesting something else, and then demonized as hateful, homophobic, racist and a terrorist, just for gathering on Parliament Hill, holding a sign.
https://www.cp24.com/news/trucker-prote ... -1.5756715
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Good god, really?
Are they being rounded up and jailed?
Are they being tortured and executed?
Extraordinarily renditioned or held without charges or trial? Oh wait.. that only happens in the Land of the “Free”.
This is still a very vocal minority of truckers who don’t even account for a single percent of the trucks that cross the U.S. border legally every single day.
Politics is mud slinging. Always has been. Trudeau critics have absolutely no problems in using the very political correctness they hate against him.. so why should they be sacrosanct? Pick any profile that has a truck on it and you find the same intelligence insulting batshit crazy alt-right rhetoric behind it.
If you don’t want to get muddy. Stay at home.
Freedoms are freedoms from charges and prosecution by the government within certain necessary limits. They are not freedom from criticism or consequences.
Never have been. Never will be.
It’s when you don’t see any criticisms or conflicts is when you have to worry.
Besides.. the people really at play here are the professional grifters. Most if not all of the millions that people probably gave with the expectation that it would lead to any change whatsoever will be misappropriated and funnelled into coffers of the Maverick Party. Go Fund Me released a million.. I bet most of it gets eaten up in “administrative costs” to fill the war chests of the fledgling Bloc Kudetah.
So keep trucking FluTruxKlan. I support your right to assemble and protest.
But I give it about two weeks before this movement is dead. Hopefully none of their members make any stupid and life-altering decisions that aren’t enshrined in our rights like some of those “very fine people” in Charlottesville or the Jan 6 buffoons.
Are they being rounded up and jailed?
Are they being tortured and executed?
Extraordinarily renditioned or held without charges or trial? Oh wait.. that only happens in the Land of the “Free”.
This is still a very vocal minority of truckers who don’t even account for a single percent of the trucks that cross the U.S. border legally every single day.
Politics is mud slinging. Always has been. Trudeau critics have absolutely no problems in using the very political correctness they hate against him.. so why should they be sacrosanct? Pick any profile that has a truck on it and you find the same intelligence insulting batshit crazy alt-right rhetoric behind it.
If you don’t want to get muddy. Stay at home.
Freedoms are freedoms from charges and prosecution by the government within certain necessary limits. They are not freedom from criticism or consequences.
Never have been. Never will be.
It’s when you don’t see any criticisms or conflicts is when you have to worry.
Besides.. the people really at play here are the professional grifters. Most if not all of the millions that people probably gave with the expectation that it would lead to any change whatsoever will be misappropriated and funnelled into coffers of the Maverick Party. Go Fund Me released a million.. I bet most of it gets eaten up in “administrative costs” to fill the war chests of the fledgling Bloc Kudetah.
So keep trucking FluTruxKlan. I support your right to assemble and protest.
But I give it about two weeks before this movement is dead. Hopefully none of their members make any stupid and life-altering decisions that aren’t enshrined in our rights like some of those “very fine people” in Charlottesville or the Jan 6 buffoons.
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Perfect for The Beaverton
Unvaccinated truckers demand Canada’s government change US government’s rules on unvaccinated truckers
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2022/01/un ... -truckers/
We're living in the golden age of grift. What a time to be alive!
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Unvaccinated truckers demand Canada’s government change US government’s rules on unvaccinated truckers
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2022/01/un ... -truckers/
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To me it seems that in general discourse about people's political opponents has become quite exaggerated, with extreme adjectives and labels being attached to almost any action (terrorist, fascist, socialist, nazi, racist, etc.) no matter how slight. Then again, maybe this has always been the case and I just never noticed, since I was never really one to pay attention to the news much.
I was curious, so I looked up two articles from CBC since it's considered to be the largest news broadcaster in Canada. One was about the convoy protesting vaccine mandates (1) and the other was about the wet'suwet'en protesters blocking pipeline development (2) to see if there was a significant difference in tone between them, since they tended to skew in opposite directions amongst most people I know who expressed opinions about them. To me it didn't appear as if the authors had much slant for or against either story.
(1) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/t ... -1.6329118
(2) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6293000
I was curious, so I looked up two articles from CBC since it's considered to be the largest news broadcaster in Canada. One was about the convoy protesting vaccine mandates (1) and the other was about the wet'suwet'en protesters blocking pipeline development (2) to see if there was a significant difference in tone between them, since they tended to skew in opposite directions amongst most people I know who expressed opinions about them. To me it didn't appear as if the authors had much slant for or against either story.
(1) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/t ... -1.6329118
(2) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6293000
"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." -George Bernard Shaw
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I agree with you 100% on your statement. The thing I find most sickening about the liberals and NDP is there running around labelling whoever disagrees with their policies as a racist. Especially when so many of their policies are the ones that are racist, whether it is access to vaccine by race or hiring by race.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:09 pmI’m putting in context. I probably don’t agree with the truckers. Not sure.WellThatAgedWell wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:50 pmThis is exactly how I know you are in fact antivax![]()
Joking aside, I find it tiring that everyone starts the conversation this way. It’s like we are so afraid to offend people.
I DO vehemently support someone's right to be heard without automatically being called a terrorist, homophobic racist.
This labelling is becoming a pattern for those who don’t agree with the Liberals.
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BOB.‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:53 pm Good god, really?
Are they being rounded up and jailed?
Are they being tortured and executed?
Extraordinarily renditioned or held without charges or trial? Oh wait.. that only happens in the Land of the “Free”.
This is still a very vocal minority of truckers who don’t even account for a single percent of the trucks that cross the U.S. border legally every single day.
Politics is mud slinging. Always has been. Trudeau critics have absolutely no problems in using the very political correctness they hate against him.. so why should they be sacrosanct? Pick any profile that has a truck on it and you find the same intelligence insulting batshit crazy alt-right rhetoric behind it.
If you don’t want to get muddy. Stay at home.
Freedoms are freedoms from charges and prosecution by the government within certain necessary limits. They are not freedom from criticism or consequences.
Never have been. Never will be.
It’s when you don’t see any criticisms or conflicts is when you have to worry.
Besides.. the people really at play here are the professional grifters. Most if not all of the millions that people probably gave with the expectation that it would lead to any change whatsoever will be misappropriated and funnelled into coffers of the Maverick Party. Go Fund Me released a million.. I bet most of it gets eaten up in “administrative costs” to fill the war chests of the fledgling Bloc Kudetah.
So keep trucking FluTruxKlan. I support your right to assemble and protest.
But I give it about two weeks before this movement is dead. Hopefully none of their members make any stupid and life-altering decisions that aren’t enshrined in our rights like some of those “very fine people” in Charlottesville or the Jan 6 buffoons.
You’ve just given up the right to ever protest anything of deep personal meaning to your life, by endorsing the government’s vicious slandering of a peaceful protest.
What happens when they go after pilots for anything you all might protest?
YOUR’RE A TERRORIST.
Nice, eh?
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Opponents of green policies are next.
Just wait. They are already wrapping it up in their racism mantra.
They want to ban Joe Rogan on Spotify(for saying things I likely disagree with about Covid). I know where it goes next. They will frame it their plans to ‘save the world’ is more important than your freedom of speech.
Just wait. They are already wrapping it up in their racism mantra.
They want to ban Joe Rogan on Spotify(for saying things I likely disagree with about Covid). I know where it goes next. They will frame it their plans to ‘save the world’ is more important than your freedom of speech.
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There were lots of visible minorities and First Nations at the convoy rally yesterday. I think it’s uniting more people than dividing. Hardly a right wing - white supremacist group the media would like you to believe.
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Rookiepilot, can you post some specific examples of the government or media publications calling these protests homophobic, racist, or terrorist? I did see that Singh said they have some "dangerous and divisive rhetoric" and Trudeau called them a "fringe minority with unacceptable views" but I haven't been able to find much beyond that.
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Perhaps you should search a little. Wasn't hard to find more.Posthumane wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:16 pm Rookiepilot, can you post some specific examples of the government or media publications calling these protests homophobic, racist, or terrorist? I did see that Singh said they have some "dangerous and divisive rhetoric" and Trudeau called them a "fringe minority with unacceptable views" but I haven't been able to find much beyond that.
And if you don’t think the media aren’t agents of the government who provides funding…can't help you.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... dangerous/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/health ... -1.6331223
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6329870
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/0 ... turn-worse
https://www.ndp.ca/news/convoy-doesnt-s ... rivers-ndp
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said he is “concerned by extremist elements that are spreading misinformation and attempting to turn the convoy into a Canadian version of the terrorist attacks on the U.S. Capitol,” in a statement released Thursday.
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh made the following statement:
“I understand people are frustrated that we’re still in this pandemic. Canadians have all sacrificed so much to keep each other safe. Like many other parents, when I hold my daughter, I think about getting through this safely so that kids can have normalcy again.
But I'm concerned by the dangerous rhetoric we’ve seen from the convoy. I am concerned by extremist elements that are spreading misinformation and attempting to turn the convoy into a Canadian version of the terrorist attacks on the US Capitol.
That is not the Canada our children deserve to grow up in.
I am deeply disturbed by Conservative MPs supporting this convoy and by default adding their support to extremists who wish to subvert the democratic process, incite violence and spread misinformation about expert public health advice.
The best way out of this is to do what the vast majority of truck drivers have already done – get vaccinated and continue to listen to public health experts.
We still have to have each other's backs as Canadians and we all have a responsibility not to spread harmful misinformation.
To the many hardworking, responsible truck drivers who have worked tirelessly to get Canadians through the pandemic – thank you. Canadians are indebted to you. We see you and we support you.
And, we know like many Canadians that are vaccinated, that this convoy does not speak for you.
Vaccines are the best way to ensure our health care systems and health care workers are not overwhelmed and New Democrats continue to urge Canadians to get their shot as soon as possible."
A federal mandate that requires truckers to be vaccinated to get over the border sparked the cross-country drive, which is to end with a protest at Parliament Hill. Dubbed the “freedom convoy,” the protest is organized by Canada Unity and other anti-public-health-mandate groups. At first, the convoy opposed vaccine mandates imposed on long-haul truckers, which forces unvaccinated truckers re-entering Canada to quarantine and get tested, but now it is calling for a repeal of all COVID-19 health mandates.
The movement has also caught the attention of Donald Trump Jr., who praised the Canadian “freedom convoy’s” fight against "tyranny" and urged Americans to follow suit in a video posted to Facebook on Tuesday.
“Individuals have the right to safely and peacefully protest,” said Ottawa Centre MP Yasir Naqvi in a statement to Canada’s National Observer. “But from what we know about the protest that’s coming this weekend, it appears that some members of the group may be associated with racist, sexist, and xenophobic groups.”
The Liberal MP said his community “will not tolerate hate and vitriol and other acts of racism and violence,” and emphasized the need for the area to “remain safe from any kind of damage or destruction.”
Ottawa police are preparing for a variety of scenarios this Saturday, including violence, Chief Peter Sloly told the police services board Wednesday. Sloly added convoy organizers are co-operating
This week, a group of anti-public health protestors have stated that they will come to Ottawa and disrupt the legal commercial and transportation activities of our city.
As the Capital of Canada, Ottawa is used to protests. We usually see them on Parliament Hill, sometimes at City Hall or the Human Rights Monument or marching from one to another. I believe strongly that protest is a legitimate part of our democratic process and I support it and I have taken part in several.
I am encouraged by the 90 per cent of commercial truck drivers in Canada who have been vaccinated, and who have worked tirelessly to provide Canadians with food and goods throughout the pandemic. I am also proud of the Canadian Trucking Alliance who have opposed this protest.
But the event we're looking at this weekend is not what it appears. Several members of this group are connected to militant racist, sexist, and homophobic groups. Their statements and placards promote xenophobia. They are not here to only raise voices against vaccination mandates, but to also fuel hatred against the very fabric of our society.
https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/e ... oy-4994688
I’d say that all smears everyone in the convoy pretty good — as potentially a terrorist, racist, or misogynistic.
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Its 10 PM on Friday night and the convoy is there in Ottawa.
Where is the January 6th insurrection attempt?
Where is all the violence the government has warned against?
I missed this.
Apparently if you’re not vaccinated your racist and misogynistic too — but not if you’re from Quebec, he said.
I kid you not!
https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/ ... xtremists/
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... ti-vaxxers
Where is the January 6th insurrection attempt?
Where is all the violence the government has warned against?
I missed this.
Apparently if you’re not vaccinated your racist and misogynistic too — but not if you’re from Quebec, he said.
I kid you not!
https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/ ... xtremists/
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... ti-vaxxers
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The big convoy is just past North Bay. Not all of it there yet. I heard that the city blocked some bridges from the Quebec side. There’s a big convoy from Quebec on the way too.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:54 pm Its 10 PM on Friday night and the convoy is there in Ottawa.
Where is the January 6th insurrection attempt?
Where is all the violence the government has warned against?

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Some churches are apparently offering shelter and food to some of the guys who don’t have sleeper cabs. Nice to see that. Hotels are likely full too.
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This is todays message from the FreedomConvoy Gofund me page.
Seems different than the media links I shared.
“The Freedom Convoy has inspired truckers from across Canada, the United States, and now the world. The Freedom Convoy to Canberra is one example and has already started in Australia. Their GoFundMe campaign has already raised $63,569. To support their fight in taking back their freedoms, please click here to donate!
Some of the most influential, intelligent, and rational world industrious leaders like Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and others, have repeatedly expressed their support for Canadian truckers and the working people who are fed up with our global leaders infringing on our rights and freedoms.
However, we cannot achieve our goals if there are threats or acts of violence. This movement is a peaceful protest and we do not condone any acts of violence, etc.
We live in a world where the pervasiveness of the internet and instant global communication gives more power to words and ideas than any physical weapon - making it a powerful tool that can be used against tyranny and authoritarianism. This is why they censor us and why we must remain peaceful no matter the cost.
We already know there will be activists working at the behest of global authoritarians and think tanks to sabotage our movement. Because of this, we must have a zero-tolerance approach to aggressive behaviour and violence. Please remain calm and loving to one another.
We cannot stress enough how important it is for everyone to do the following:
1. DO NOT enter any government building or government property under any circumstances.
2. Treat all police officers with respect. Front line police officers are already under significant pressure from powerful politicized individuals and local politicians. They are our fellow Canadians, and the police in regions like Peel defended us when they refused to enforce Doug Ford's draconian Covid restrictions on citizens last year. Please do not put front line officers in a difficult position. Always be respectful, even if they issue you a citation. Just know that most of them are doing so under duress.
3. Keep calm. If you see individuals attempting to bait other truckers and attendees into conflict, report them to the police and our staff, or look to others around you to help with de-escalation. Sometimes it merely requires one calm head in a group to temper us all. Don't hesitate to be the negotiator!
4. Do not make any type of threat. Threats lead to escalation, which could lead to violence. Please do your absolute best to stifle any aggressive rhetoric. As you know, the legacy media will be present and will use this as ammunition against our movement. Their business model is built on a strategy of destroying reputations. Do not help them profit from destroying your reputation.
If we keep calm and show love and support for one another, many things will happen. We will eventually cause the government to reverse its policy on Covid passports and vaccine mandates as the UK has recently done. We will meet new friends, develop relationships, and there will likely be people who meet during this peaceful protest and fall in love and build a life together. Let's not sacrifice such a bright future for all of us by loosing our temper.
This is the first step in a long journey to a new golden age of freedom and understanding for one another. Let's build that future together.
There will be a follow up press release after the leaders of the Convoy For Freedom arrive in Ottawa, outlining the date and time for our press conference.
Be good and love one another.
Sending much love and positive vibes to you all!”
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I don’t see January 6 Insurrection here.
Shame on the media.
Seems different than the media links I shared.
“The Freedom Convoy has inspired truckers from across Canada, the United States, and now the world. The Freedom Convoy to Canberra is one example and has already started in Australia. Their GoFundMe campaign has already raised $63,569. To support their fight in taking back their freedoms, please click here to donate!
Some of the most influential, intelligent, and rational world industrious leaders like Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and others, have repeatedly expressed their support for Canadian truckers and the working people who are fed up with our global leaders infringing on our rights and freedoms.
However, we cannot achieve our goals if there are threats or acts of violence. This movement is a peaceful protest and we do not condone any acts of violence, etc.
We live in a world where the pervasiveness of the internet and instant global communication gives more power to words and ideas than any physical weapon - making it a powerful tool that can be used against tyranny and authoritarianism. This is why they censor us and why we must remain peaceful no matter the cost.
We already know there will be activists working at the behest of global authoritarians and think tanks to sabotage our movement. Because of this, we must have a zero-tolerance approach to aggressive behaviour and violence. Please remain calm and loving to one another.
We cannot stress enough how important it is for everyone to do the following:
1. DO NOT enter any government building or government property under any circumstances.
2. Treat all police officers with respect. Front line police officers are already under significant pressure from powerful politicized individuals and local politicians. They are our fellow Canadians, and the police in regions like Peel defended us when they refused to enforce Doug Ford's draconian Covid restrictions on citizens last year. Please do not put front line officers in a difficult position. Always be respectful, even if they issue you a citation. Just know that most of them are doing so under duress.
3. Keep calm. If you see individuals attempting to bait other truckers and attendees into conflict, report them to the police and our staff, or look to others around you to help with de-escalation. Sometimes it merely requires one calm head in a group to temper us all. Don't hesitate to be the negotiator!
4. Do not make any type of threat. Threats lead to escalation, which could lead to violence. Please do your absolute best to stifle any aggressive rhetoric. As you know, the legacy media will be present and will use this as ammunition against our movement. Their business model is built on a strategy of destroying reputations. Do not help them profit from destroying your reputation.
If we keep calm and show love and support for one another, many things will happen. We will eventually cause the government to reverse its policy on Covid passports and vaccine mandates as the UK has recently done. We will meet new friends, develop relationships, and there will likely be people who meet during this peaceful protest and fall in love and build a life together. Let's not sacrifice such a bright future for all of us by loosing our temper.
This is the first step in a long journey to a new golden age of freedom and understanding for one another. Let's build that future together.
There will be a follow up press release after the leaders of the Convoy For Freedom arrive in Ottawa, outlining the date and time for our press conference.
Be good and love one another.
Sending much love and positive vibes to you all!”
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I don’t see January 6 Insurrection here.
Shame on the media.
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All of that is good to see....except the the conspiracy theory stuff.
Re: ARE WE LOSING THE RIGHT TO PROTEST?
To the question the thread title asks; not at all. I'm not aware of any examples*, throughout the numerous recent protests, in which there has been a concerted effort to suppress or shutdown protesting or gatherings - even when there would be justifications under the various public health orders or Emergencies Act(s) around large gatherings, etc.
For example, the rather idiotic protests that took place outside of hospitals, ambulance stations, etc., in BC in 2021; were not stopped or suppressed by police. Rather, the crowds were occasionally pushed somewhat to move so as to stop the restricted access to healthcare facilities - which was almost always completely unsuccessful. If you want an example of the abject stupidity that occurred, look no further than the video of the ambulance having to be escorted through an angry crowd in Vancouver with a police escort, while attempting to respond to a code 3 call...
As for the truckers, the concern (that I have, as well as others) beyond the fact that the fundraising seems to be largely a grift to fill the coffers of yet another fringe party... is that while there was at the nascent stage a single unifying message/purpose (ending the vaccine mandate for cross boarder trucking), there no longer is any sort of cohesive message strategy - seemingly beyond disrupting traffic. The concerns raised are valid, in the sense that this "movement" has attracted more than its fair share of hangers-on, whom are espousing some pretty serious anti-government, freeman on the land-esque, radical views. Now, it's hardly surprising that in this day and age that this sort of thing is occurring - having fringe groups tag along or join the crowd; but it is concerning given the rhetoric some of these individuals have used.
While the apparent "leader" of the convoy has said they do not espouse any threatening, radical, or anti-government views; they're hardly speaking for everyone who's latched onto this so-called movement.
There's already been more than a few commenters online whom are openly calling for the building of a gallows on the lawn of the Parliament buildings, and that any politician whom doesn't support their agenda will be swiftly dealt with. The same goes for the people whom are saying that if the government/senate/governor general do not act to end the mandate, they'll be forced to resign and some new government of the people will take over - that's openly seditious and likely treasonous as well.
In the end, though, it does seem a tad silly to be heading to Parliament on a weekend... in addition to the fact that the US Federal Government was the first to propose and enact a mandate for cross boarder truckers, and the Canadian Federal Government simply followed suit. Go protest in Washington DC; if you can get across the boarder, that is.
*Actually, that's not at all true. While the right-wing protests around vaccines, COVID, etc., were allowed to freely occur (including the absolutely horrendous protests that occurred on Remembrance Day) numerous left-wing protests have been stifled and broken up (and continue to be broken up); including the old growth logging protests at Fairy Creek, the Coastal Gas Link pipeline protests in Northern BC, etc. But hey, there's a double standard, right?
For example, the rather idiotic protests that took place outside of hospitals, ambulance stations, etc., in BC in 2021; were not stopped or suppressed by police. Rather, the crowds were occasionally pushed somewhat to move so as to stop the restricted access to healthcare facilities - which was almost always completely unsuccessful. If you want an example of the abject stupidity that occurred, look no further than the video of the ambulance having to be escorted through an angry crowd in Vancouver with a police escort, while attempting to respond to a code 3 call...
As for the truckers, the concern (that I have, as well as others) beyond the fact that the fundraising seems to be largely a grift to fill the coffers of yet another fringe party... is that while there was at the nascent stage a single unifying message/purpose (ending the vaccine mandate for cross boarder trucking), there no longer is any sort of cohesive message strategy - seemingly beyond disrupting traffic. The concerns raised are valid, in the sense that this "movement" has attracted more than its fair share of hangers-on, whom are espousing some pretty serious anti-government, freeman on the land-esque, radical views. Now, it's hardly surprising that in this day and age that this sort of thing is occurring - having fringe groups tag along or join the crowd; but it is concerning given the rhetoric some of these individuals have used.
While the apparent "leader" of the convoy has said they do not espouse any threatening, radical, or anti-government views; they're hardly speaking for everyone who's latched onto this so-called movement.
There's already been more than a few commenters online whom are openly calling for the building of a gallows on the lawn of the Parliament buildings, and that any politician whom doesn't support their agenda will be swiftly dealt with. The same goes for the people whom are saying that if the government/senate/governor general do not act to end the mandate, they'll be forced to resign and some new government of the people will take over - that's openly seditious and likely treasonous as well.
In the end, though, it does seem a tad silly to be heading to Parliament on a weekend... in addition to the fact that the US Federal Government was the first to propose and enact a mandate for cross boarder truckers, and the Canadian Federal Government simply followed suit. Go protest in Washington DC; if you can get across the boarder, that is.
*Actually, that's not at all true. While the right-wing protests around vaccines, COVID, etc., were allowed to freely occur (including the absolutely horrendous protests that occurred on Remembrance Day) numerous left-wing protests have been stifled and broken up (and continue to be broken up); including the old growth logging protests at Fairy Creek, the Coastal Gas Link pipeline protests in Northern BC, etc. But hey, there's a double standard, right?
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One of the biggest lies from the political left is how the anti-vax movement is right wing politically.7ECA wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm
*Actually, that's not at all true. While the right-wing protests around vaccines, COVID, etc., were allowed to freely occur (including the absolutely horrendous protests that occurred on Remembrance Day) numerous left-wing protests have been stifled and broken up (and continue to be broken up); including the old growth logging protests at Fairy Creek, the Coastal Gas Link pipeline protests in Northern BC, etc. But hey, there's a double standard, right?
One need only look at what one might call the head of the anti-vax snake who was in the news the other day………RFK junior, beloved Democrat with these progressive credentials….
“ For decades, Kennedy, son to former Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and nephew to President John F. Kennedy, was known for his work in environmental law, suing corporations on behalf of Indigenous groups and other individuals, and vocally opposing dependency on fossil fuels.”
Read how he made news this past week:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/25/ente ... index.html
Meanwhile, the man the left love to blame for the anti-vax movement says things like this…….
"Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get (Covid), it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine.”
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Re: ARE WE LOSING THE RIGHT TO PROTEST?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/t ... -1.6331679
“Downtown shoppers, hotel guests steer clear of 'frustrating' protest”
I think its time to call in the army…….
“The Parliamentary Protective Service expects as many as 10,000 protesters to be in attendance today.”
“The national flag is flying from some vehicles, or draped around the shoulders of some protestors, many of whom appear to be unmasked.”
https://ottawa.citynews.ca/national-new ... ll-5007356
Horrors. Violent Anarchism!
We need to be masked now? Outside in -30? Seriously?
And people wonder why no one trusts the media?
“Some are carrying copies of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms”.
We can’t allow that. Tear gas them.
Bottom line:
The event is peaceful and Ottawa police say there are no incidents to report.
Won't hear any of our esteemed leaders saying this in an interview.
Lets add this up:
Political leaders and the media have overtly said this protest is full of homophobic, terrorist, racist and hate speech promoters.
The protest has many carrying Canadian flags and the charter of rights and freedoms.
Therefore, if you go anywhere carrying those 2 items….you are now a homophobic misogynistic racist.
According to the media and our leaders.
“Downtown shoppers, hotel guests steer clear of 'frustrating' protest”
I think its time to call in the army…….
“The Parliamentary Protective Service expects as many as 10,000 protesters to be in attendance today.”
“The national flag is flying from some vehicles, or draped around the shoulders of some protestors, many of whom appear to be unmasked.”
https://ottawa.citynews.ca/national-new ... ll-5007356
Horrors. Violent Anarchism!
We need to be masked now? Outside in -30? Seriously?
And people wonder why no one trusts the media?
“Some are carrying copies of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms”.
We can’t allow that. Tear gas them.
Bottom line:
The event is peaceful and Ottawa police say there are no incidents to report.
Won't hear any of our esteemed leaders saying this in an interview.
Lets add this up:
Political leaders and the media have overtly said this protest is full of homophobic, terrorist, racist and hate speech promoters.
The protest has many carrying Canadian flags and the charter of rights and freedoms.
Therefore, if you go anywhere carrying those 2 items….you are now a homophobic misogynistic racist.
According to the media and our leaders.