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Re: Don't be a scab

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FL410AV8R wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 11:43 am
Crewbunk wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 7:34 am Back to the message title. “Don’t be a scab”.

While the term “scab” is batted around a lot, the true scab is one who while a Westjet pilot on legal strike, accepts payment to fly Westjet’s aircraft. I won’t mention the morality of that, but I have seen the effects.

I merged into Canadian Airlines from Wardair and flew with the “mix” of employees. One thing that stuck out, was mention of a few “scabs” from the Eastern Provincial strike. These individuals accepted money from management to fly their aircraft during the strike. It didn’t take long for word to get out.

They lost friends, their wives lost friends, their children lost friends. They were no longer a part of the close knit community. Over the span of the 33 day strike, their lives changed. And …. that title never left them. By the time, I joined the ranks, many years and merges later, any time they were mentioned, “scab” was mentioned. And, not just by pilots, but flight attendants and agents too! Right until the day they retired, when no one came to wish them well on their last flight.

In my opinion, it’s not worth it.

If someone crosses your picket line, it may be someone forced to, like an Encore pilot, or me, an Air Canada pilot. We don’t want to, but have no choice. And we’ll understand when it’s our turn and we are walking the line and you cross our line.

But if you suspect it’s a scab, discreetly take a picture and send it to your strike committee. Try not to get into a confrontation. It’s hard. But being on strike is legal, putting your fist down someone’s throat isn’t. Don’t give “them” ammunition.

Remember, don’t be a scab.
Crewbunk:

I could not agree with you more. The "stink" of a scab never goes away. Time does not heal that wound nor does it lessen the memory of those the scab chose to scab against. Don't be that pilot. In this case, the only pilots considered scabs would be those WestJet pilots who choose to operate WestJet metal or partake in training or other company activities while their peers are on strike or any pilots from other companies flying charter work for WestJet over struck routes. The second one is a tough one but technically anyone other than WJ management flying struck work is a scab.

Pilots don't forget these actions. The US National Scab List has 5799 names on it going back to 1932. It is consulted to this day by many US Captains before granting jumpseat access.

DON'T FLY STRUCK WORK.

airline-pilot-scab-list-2004.pdf
Hmz. Not sure that circulating their personal information is the appropriate response. Quite the lynch mob mentality.

How does an airline end up with 2.253 scabs by the way? Sounds like there was more going on than just a strike.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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I want to clarify these comments. If my airline assigns me to fly a WestJet route during the strike that makes me a scab? Do I have that right?
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Crewbunk:

I could not agree with you more. The "stink" of a scab never goes away. Time does not heal that wound nor does it lessen the memory of those the scab chose to scab against. Don't be that pilot. In this case, the only pilots considered scabs would be those WestJet pilots who choose to operate WestJet metal or partake in training or other company activities while their peers are on strike or any pilots from other companies flying charter work for WestJet over struck routes. The second one is a tough one but technically anyone other than WJ management flying struck work is a scab.

Pilots don't forget these actions. The US National Scab List has 5799 names on it going back to 1932. It is consulted to this day by many US Captains before granting jumpseat access.

DON'T FLY STRUCK WORK.

airline-pilot-scab-list-2004.pdf
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Re: Don't be a scab

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Hmz. Not sure that circulating their personal information is the appropriate response. Quite the lynch mob mentality.

How does an airline end up with 2.253 scabs by the way? Sounds like there was more going on than just a strike.
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I have zero concern for a scabs personal information. Don't want your information out there, DON'T SCAB.

Choose to scab - pay the consequences.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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Commonwealth wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 1:38 pm I want to clarify these comments. If my airline assigns me to fly a WestJet route during the strike that makes me a scab? Do I have that right?
Crewbunk:

I could not agree with you more. The "stink" of a scab never goes away. Time does not heal that wound nor does it lessen the memory of those the scab chose to scab against. Don't be that pilot. In this case, the only pilots considered scabs would be those WestJet pilots who choose to operate WestJet metal or partake in training or other company activities while their peers are on strike or any pilots from other companies flying charter work for WestJet over struck routes. The second one is a tough one but technically anyone other than WJ management flying struck work is a scab.

Pilots don't forget these actions. The US National Scab List has 5799 names on it going back to 1932. It is consulted to this day by many US Captains before granting jumpseat access.

DON'T FLY STRUCK WORK.

airline-pilot-scab-list-2004.pdf
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If your airline didn't already fly that route with the same frequency the day before the strike then you are flying struck work. Make your choices accordingly.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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FL410AV8R wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 1:53 pm
Commonwealth wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 1:38 pm I want to clarify these comments. If my airline assigns me to fly a WestJet route during the strike that makes me a scab? Do I have that right?

If your airline didn't already fly that route with the same frequency the day before the strike then you are flying struck work. Make your choices accordingly.
Is your union going to pay Commonwealth's salary if he gets fired for refusing to work? After all, his airline is not involved in your labor action.

If Commonwealth would take a job at Westjet during the strike, then you could consider him a scab.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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What Commonwealth does is Commonwealth's business.

No one is telling him/her what to do. I am just stating that actions have consequences and thought should be given to any "extra" flying during a strike.

Cough Cough

DON'T FLY STRUCK WORK
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Re: Don't be a scab

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FL410AV8R wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 3:47 pm What Commonwealth does is Commonwealth's business.

No one is telling him/her what to do.

Seems like you are though, aren't you?
FL410AV8R wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 3:47 pm
I am just stating that actions have consequences and thought should be given to any "extra" flying during a strike.

Cough Cough

DON'T FLY STRUCK WORK
Thinly veiled threats against pilots who just do their job at a completely different company, really won't help your cause.

Generally, if you'd like help or support from your fellow pilots, you don't threaten them with mob style public blacklists.

Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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digits_ wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 4:18 pm Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:44 pm
digits_ wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 4:18 pm Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.
Public support is meaningless. Rows of parked airplanes is all that matters. And they can remain parked until pilots are payed appropriately. Airplanes are bought in US dollars with no discount for being a Canadian airline. Pilots are no different.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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truedude wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 6:22 pm
accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:44 pm
digits_ wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 4:18 pm Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.
Public support is meaningless. Rows of parked airplanes is all that matters. And they can remain parked until pilots are payed appropriately. Airplanes are bought in US dollars with no discount for being a Canadian airline. Pilots are no different.
How long will you be able to afford your cabins at the lake when planes are parked?

You realize you're dealing with a corporation with far more resolve than you who will literally take the goodwill, write it off and go into another business.

Enjoy packing bags at Home Depot. Hope your strike pay covers yoU!
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Re: Don't be a scab

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accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 7:33 pm How long will you be able to afford your cabins at the lake when planes are parked?

You realize you're dealing with a corporation with far more resolve than you who will literally take the goodwill, write it off and go into another business.

Enjoy packing bags at Home Depot. Hope your strike pay covers yoU!
I know that I joked that you are Alexis Von Horsebroth, but it's obvious that you are just a sad former WestJet pilot who was laid off during COVID and never hired by another airline because when they Googled your name, they found a photo of someone wearing a helmet with a turkey baster pitot tube.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:44 pm
digits_ wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 4:18 pm Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.
He’s not even a pilot.

Soon as he states “ outlandish demands “ he reveals he is clueless . Obviously not even bothering to dig and read the facts. Just a pencil pusher behind a desk jaded because of his poor life choices.

Move along Accountant. Go hassle all the other professions you are jealous of. Bye bye 👋
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FL410AV8R wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 3:47 pm What Commonwealth does is Commonwealth's business.

No one is telling him/her what to do. I am just stating that actions have consequences and thought should be given to any "extra" flying during a strike.

Cough Cough

DON'T FLY STRUCK WORK
That’s ludicrous, if a company is hired by Westjet to fly some routes, they are not scabs, they are pilots at a separate company that is not on strike.
If AC adds any sectors for the demand, are they scabs too?
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Re: Don't be a scab

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accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 7:33 pm
truedude wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 6:22 pm
accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:44 pm

Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.
Public support is meaningless. Rows of parked airplanes is all that matters. And they can remain parked until pilots are payed appropriately. Airplanes are bought in US dollars with no discount for being a Canadian airline. Pilots are no different.
How long will you be able to afford your cabins at the lake when planes are parked?

You realize you're dealing with a corporation with far more resolve than you who will literally take the goodwill, write it off and go into another business.

Enjoy packing bags at Home Depot. Hope your strike pay covers yoU!
Resolve means nothing. Future bookings will plummet as soon as strike notice is given. Easter weekend will be busy refunding every passenger. By the end of Easter weekend, anyone with summer travel plans will be rebooking. And every day Westjet keeps this going the company will inch closer to insolvency. And guess what, the pilots are prepared to see this through to the end.

How many days of parked airplanes will it take before it would be cheaper to just pay the pilots and move on. Delta seems to have decided it would be more productive to work with their employee groups instead of always fighting them.

Two weeks tops Westjet can keep this going, at which point there is no airline.
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truedude wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:28 pm
accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 7:33 pm
truedude wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 6:22 pm

Public support is meaningless. Rows of parked airplanes is all that matters. And they can remain parked until pilots are payed appropriately. Airplanes are bought in US dollars with no discount for being a Canadian airline. Pilots are no different.
How long will you be able to afford your cabins at the lake when planes are parked?

You realize you're dealing with a corporation with far more resolve than you who will literally take the goodwill, write it off and go into another business.

Enjoy packing bags at Home Depot. Hope your strike pay covers yoU!
Resolve means nothing. Future bookings will plummet as soon as strike notice is given. Easter weekend will be busy refunding every passenger. By the end of Easter weekend, anyone with summer travel plans will be rebooking. And every day Westjet keeps this going the company will inch closer to insolvency. And guess what, the pilots are prepared to see this through to the end.

How many days of parked airplanes will it take before it would be cheaper to just pay the pilots and move on. Delta seems to have decided it would be more productive to work with their employee groups instead of always fighting them.

Two weeks tops Westjet can keep this going, at which point there is no airline.
Agree with most of what you said, except Easter weekend was a month ago?
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digits_ wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 4:18 pm
FL410AV8R wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 3:47 pm What Commonwealth does is Commonwealth's business.

No one is telling him/her what to do.

Seems like you are though, aren't you?
FL410AV8R wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 3:47 pm
I am just stating that actions have consequences and thought should be given to any "extra" flying during a strike.

Cough Cough

DON'T FLY STRUCK WORK
Thinly veiled threats against pilots who just do their job at a completely different company, really won't help your cause.

Generally, if you'd like help or support from your fellow pilots, you don't threaten them with mob style public blacklists.

Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
+1 well said! The rhetoric in this thread is weird
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Dash.Trash wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 9:14 pm
truedude wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:28 pm
accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 7:33 pm

How long will you be able to afford your cabins at the lake when planes are parked?

You realize you're dealing with a corporation with far more resolve than you who will literally take the goodwill, write it off and go into another business.

Enjoy packing bags at Home Depot. Hope your strike pay covers yoU!
Resolve means nothing. Future bookings will plummet as soon as strike notice is given. Easter weekend will be busy refunding every passenger. By the end of Easter weekend, anyone with summer travel plans will be rebooking. And every day Westjet keeps this going the company will inch closer to insolvency. And guess what, the pilots are prepared to see this through to the end.

How many days of parked airplanes will it take before it would be cheaper to just pay the pilots and move on. Delta seems to have decided it would be more productive to work with their employee groups instead of always fighting them.

Two weeks tops Westjet can keep this going, at which point there is no airline.
Agree with most of what you said, except Easter weekend was a month ago?
Lol, I had to double check the posted date as well.

Onex will ride this out for quite some time unfortunately, just because, well they are Onex.

I do think though after two weeks, the government will start to get involved, the NDP will finally wake up and pull support. The contract will be arbitrated in the pilots favour (to a Point), the liberals will be crushed as a no confidence vote will occur.

Oh and if you work for another airline that is contracted to operate certain routes, than no you are not a scab, and legally have to operate or your company has grounds for dismissal.
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If you work for another company who is contracted, the question is if you're called on a gdo to operate one of those flight.
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flyinhigh wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 7:35 am I do think though after two weeks, the government will start to get involved, the NDP will finally wake up and pull support. The contract will be arbitrated in the pilots favour (to a Point), the liberals will be crushed as a no confidence vote will occur.
A party in power that starves to remain in power due to egos is not likely to end this strike quickly. They won't want to piss off the NDP.

They didn't push to force CRA back to work, they didn't extend the tax deadline, they're not about to cave and legislate Westjet back to work.... unless it gains them votes. Definitely won't gain them votes or seats in the West when most conservatives want less government involvement, not more. This government is calculated.

Right around the time of an AB election....

Be prepared to be picketing for a while.....
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nohojob wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 8:11 am If you work for another company who is contracted, the question is if you're called on a gdo to operate one of those flight.
Lost me at answering a call on a GDO… uncontactable sorry
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You maybe but between people on rsv who must take the call, and people who won't resist to the appeal of extra cash, there won't be any lack of pilots to pick up the slack.
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accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 7:33 pm How long will you be able to afford your cabins at the lake when planes are parked?

You realize you're dealing with a corporation with far more resolve than you who will literally take the goodwill, write it off and go into another business.

Enjoy packing bags at Home Depot. Hope your strike pay covers yoU!
Wow. It's been many a year since I have seen this level of rectal/cranial inversion in someone.

I mean, honestly, there is so much wrong with that statement I'm not even sure where to begin to correct you. Being a bitter person on the internet is tight.
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accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:44 pm
digits_ wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 4:18 pm Your posts here are doing more damage to pilot unity than the Westjet CEO could ever do. It's not the hardcore 5% that wins a strike. It's the 95% midfield that does, and the support of the public.
Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.

Look lady. You've got 68 posts in 5 years.

Most of them recent. You have an agenda or a vendetta. One or the other. Even more likely you are a paid management shill making about 40k a year trying to instill a bit of uncertainty on the net under your Masters orders.

Go back to filing your nails on your coffee breaks.
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Re: Don't be a scab

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accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 7:33 pm
truedude wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 6:22 pm
accountant wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:44 pm

Pilots have already proven they don't have the public's support on this one given their outlandish demands.
Public support is meaningless. Rows of parked airplanes is all that matters. And they can remain parked until pilots are payed appropriately. Airplanes are bought in US dollars with no discount for being a Canadian airline. Pilots are no different.
How long will you be able to afford your cabins at the lake when planes are parked?

You realize you're dealing with a corporation with far more resolve than you who will literally take the goodwill, write it off and go into another business.

Enjoy packing bags at Home Depot. Hope your strike pay covers yoU!
Accountant, I'll probably just fly for another company like the many pilots that leave WestJet every month. Could you tell me more about this home depot job though? Might be nice to work at a job that doesn't schedule me minimum rest every shift lol.
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