New hire bids

[truedude]

This is last Monday’s class if anyone is wondering..


CRJ:
Yul 3
Yyz 5
Yyc 1

DASH
Yyc 4

13 people... But I'm sure someone will tell me this is all part of the plan... we have had more than that quit in the last 2 weeks. And will see double that quit in the next two weeks.

[Canpilot7]

Just out of curiosity, for the newer FOs at Jazz what's been stopping you from moving to one of the 737 operators, or even over to porter? I know the senior captains at jazz are staying for money and lifestyle towards the end of their career - but just curious what's the attraction for the younger FOs that are joining.

This isn't to pile on to the negativity. Just genuinely actually curious.

[QKZXKV]

Just out of curiosity, for the newer FOs at Jazz what's been stopping you from moving to one of the 737 operators, or even over to porter? I know the senior captains at jazz are staying for money and lifestyle towards the end of their career - but just curious what's the attraction for the younger FOs that are joining.

This isn't to pile on to the negativity. Just genuinely actually curious.

probably lack of ATPLs

[cdnavater]

Just out of curiosity, for the newer FOs at Jazz what's been stopping you from moving to one of the 737 operators, or even over to porter? I know the senior captains at jazz are staying for money and lifestyle towards the end of their career - but just curious what's the attraction for the younger FOs that are joining.

This isn't to pile on to the negativity. Just genuinely actually curious.

probably lack of ATPLs

That!
They are not experienced enough to get those jobs, yet!
I suspect those companies will be scrapping the bottom of the barrel soon too.

[Turboprops]

Just out of curiosity, for the newer FOs at Jazz what's been stopping you from moving to one of the 737 operators, or even over to porter? I know the senior captains at jazz are staying for money and lifestyle towards the end of their career - but just curious what's the attraction for the younger FOs that are joining.

This isn't to pile on to the negativity. Just genuinely actually curious.

I mean, they’re hiring 500TT instructors. Not exactly competitive experience to get on a 737

[Babar350]

Just out of curiosity, for the newer FOs at Jazz what's been stopping you from moving to one of the 737 operators, or even over to porter? I know the senior captains at jazz are staying for money and lifestyle towards the end of their career - but just curious what's the attraction for the younger FOs that are joining.

This isn't to pile on to the negativity. Just genuinely actually curious.

I mean, they’re hiring 500TT instructors. Not exactly competitive experience to get on a 737

Ryanair and Easyjet are hiring 250TT pilots. It all depends on how good is the training.

[Rowdy]

Just out of curiosity, for the newer FOs at Jazz what's been stopping you from moving to one of the 737 operators, or even over to porter? I know the senior captains at jazz are staying for money and lifestyle towards the end of their career - but just curious what's the attraction for the younger FOs that are joining.

This isn't to pile on to the negativity. Just genuinely actually curious.

I mean, they’re hiring 500TT instructors. Not exactly competitive experience to get on a 737

Ryanair and Easyjet are hiring 250TT pilots. It all depends on how good is the training.

They (ryanair/norwegian/easyjet etc) hire them into a very specific program, with established criteria, training, mentoring and minima. You're basically a radio operator and doing VMC only approaches/departures at the discretion of the captain for a couple of years. Very different from what happens here..

I have yet to see anyone hired outside of a college program with less than 700TT. Because if they have that, they're going elsewhere and being paid more.

[cdnavater]

I mean, they’re hiring 500TT instructors. Not exactly competitive experience to get on a 737

Ryanair and Easyjet are hiring 250TT pilots. It all depends on how good is the training.

They (ryanair/norwegian/easyjet etc) hire them into a very specific program, with established criteria, training, mentoring and minima. You're basically a radio operator and doing VMC only approaches/departures at the discretion of the captain for a couple of years. Very different from what happens here..

I have yet to see anyone hired outside of a college program with less than 700TT. Because if they have that, they're going elsewhere and being paid more.

700TT as an instructor on a 172 might as well be 250, they are ver difficult to train, I would prefer more of our cadets from the university over this.

[lvf_abv_clouds]

I mean, they’re hiring 500TT instructors. Not exactly competitive experience to get on a 737

Ryanair and Easyjet are hiring 250TT pilots. It all depends on how good is the training.

They (ryanair/norwegian/easyjet etc) hire them into a very specific program, with established criteria, training, mentoring and minima. You're basically a radio operator and doing VMC only approaches/departures at the discretion of the captain for a couple of years. Very different from what happens here..

I have yet to see anyone hired outside of a college program with less than 700TT. Because if they have that, they're going elsewhere and being paid more.

You're basically a radio operator and doing VMC only approaches/departures at the discretion of the captain for a couple of years
-thats inaccurate speculation once the cadets are done with line training and mandatory sectors for being line released, they basically operate as normal crew doing flights conducted in two crew setting and swapping between PF and PM between sectors irrespective of weather conditions.

[Rowdy]

Have you looked at the programs? I have, and I have friends and colleagues operating at each. The whole premise is different and built accordingly. Not the same as what happens here in Canuck land. Thats my whole point. If we want to run 250hr college grads through the system, we need to build the system that way. A proper mentorship. Proper minima. Training catered to inexperienced new hires.

The premise is; Canadian air operations and NOT set up presently for low time/college grads to hop right in to Transport category aircraft. I've been here as a line captain for Seven years. Its blatantly obvious to me and I'm not that bright!

As an example, Ryanair, for those WITH a CPL and MEIR require the specific initial training and type rating. Once thats complete, it's a minimum of 8 sectors observation in the jump seat. Then a minimum of 66 sectors but averaging 80 With a safety pilot. So theres three of you in the cockpit. The other member being an experienced First officer. Then a release from the safety pilot flying. Additional sectors with qualified mentor/indoc captains before a line check and line release. 1500hrs before full release as an experienced First Officer.

Norwegian was similar but had restrictions for legs flown based on flight time accumulated and weather minima.

The European cadet programs have lots of structure built into them. We don't. Its my humble opinion that this needs to change to mitigate a myriad of issues and avoid a catastrophic event.

[Rowdy]

Ryanair and Easyjet are hiring 250TT pilots. It all depends on how good is the training.

They (ryanair/norwegian/easyjet etc) hire them into a very specific program, with established criteria, training, mentoring and minima. You're basically a radio operator and doing VMC only approaches/departures at the discretion of the captain for a couple of years. Very different from what happens here..

I have yet to see anyone hired outside of a college program with less than 700TT. Because if they have that, they're going elsewhere and being paid more.

700TT as an instructor on a 172 might as well be 250, they are ver difficult to train, I would prefer more of our cadets from the university over this.

My casual/anecdotal observations have me agree with you. My personal preference is someone with +1000hrs of actual commercial operational experience... but thats the stuff unicorns are made of these days.

[pilotguy53]

Are any new bids going to YVR these days?

[link821]

Are any new bids going to YVR these days?

Yes, Pasco and CMA are hiring for yvr!

[pilotguy53]

Any updates to latest GS new hire bases/type?

[kiaszceski]

Any updates to latest GS new hire bases/type?

No more GS. Porter is hiring tho ...

[pilotguy53]

Any updates to latest GS new hire bases/type?

No more GS. Porter is hiring tho ...

Ahh... okay, thanks. Porter won't work for us Westerners... it sounds like they don't have a reciprocal agreement yet, and are quite far away from a Western base.

[kiaszceski]

Any updates to latest GS new hire bases/type?

No more GS. Porter is hiring tho ...

Ahh... okay, thanks. Porter won't work for us Westerners... it sounds like they don't have a reciprocal agreement yet, and are quite far away from a Western base.

Westjet? Encore? Flair? Lynx? They are all better than Jazz.
Are you ready to be paid $1000 bi-weekly?

[Nick678]

Jazz has been the largest mistake in my aviation career, please wait the extra time for Porter, encore/Westjet, or even AC to call. Especially if your goal is AC

[truedude]

Jazz has been the largest mistake in my aviation career, please wait the extra time for Porter, encore/Westjet, or even AC to call. Especially if your goal is AC

Also don't go near PAL; AC has shown they will not hesitate to halt your career progression if it in any way might jeopardize their network.

Not to mention that ACs deal with PAL has one purpose, and one purpose only: do everything possible to try and prevent regional compensation from increasing. No one should be happy about the PAL agreement, their pilots included. All it is, is a further attempt to stop any progression in pay for pilots. And management has entered into an agreement with an entity that will throw you under the bus the moment it benefits them, and any agreement isn't worth the paper it is written on.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Any updates to latest GS new hire bases/type?

No more GS. Porter is hiring tho ...

Ahh... okay, thanks. Porter won't work for us Westerners... it sounds like they don't have a reciprocal agreement yet, and are quite far away from a Western base.

We have reciprocal on ac, flair, WestJet and many more. Starts on day 1 if you commute.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Jazz has been the largest mistake in my aviation career, please wait the extra time for Porter, encore/Westjet, or even AC to call. Especially if your goal is AC

I know countless who feel the same as you.

[link821]

Jazz has been the largest mistake in my aviation career, please wait the extra time for Porter, encore/Westjet, or even AC to call. Especially if your goal is AC

I wish that, I knew what I know now, when I was younger. You ain’t alone in feelin that way partner!

[Inverted2]

I would highly recommend staying away from Jazz at the moment. It used to be a well run ship but it is a complete disaster right now. There are better options available. Their puppy mill flight school won’t cut it either and if real qualified applicants stay the #%*+ away it will send a message to the real problem: Air Canada who has been screwing with us for decades. Sky/Georgian/PAL/codeshares.

[twa22]

Any updates to latest GS new hire bases/type?

No more GS. Porter is hiring tho ...

Is this confirmed? When is the last GS scheduled for?

[Outlaw58]

Any updates to latest GS new hire bases/type?

No more GS. Porter is hiring tho ...

Is this confirmed? When is the last GS scheduled for?

Classes have been and are continuing to run every 3 weeks. Last class was on July 17, so calculate from there (Aug 7, Aug 28, and so on...)

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