What’s the over and under this dude keeps his job

[Inverted2]

Here’s an older article from 2016. His best friend died in a crash under somewhat strange circumstances.

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/winnipeg-pi ... -1.2910842

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_804

[porcsord]

this is an actual Terrorist

Child Soldier? Potato Potato, right?

[digits_]

I think porcsord's link from the other topic bears repeating: https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_wh ... anguage=en

[porcsord]

I think porcsord's link from the other topic bears repeating: https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_wh ... anguage=en

It's one of my favourites, and most of us, including myself should reflect on it more than we currently do.

[braaap Braap]

I think porcsord's link from the other topic bears repeating: https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_wh ... anguage=en

It's one of my favourites, and most of us, including myself should reflect on it more than we currently do.

Extremely insightful. Thanks for sharing porcsord and digits

[Daniel Cooper]

Yes, because standing in solidarity with your colleagues for a better contract is in the same category as showing your support for HAMAS, an internationally recognized terror group who is responsible for countless atrocities, the most recent being this past weekend? Asking for a good CA and advocating the rape and murder of innocent civilians, many if whom were children is not the same thing.

Emotions are high and you're looking for someone to pay but legally you have to look at facts. He never said anything about Hamas from the screen caps I saw.

[Just another canuck]

Yes, because standing in solidarity with your colleagues for a better contract is in the same category as showing your support for HAMAS, an internationally recognized terror group who is responsible for countless atrocities, the most recent being this past weekend? Asking for a good CA and advocating the rape and murder of innocent civilians, many if whom were children is not the same thing.

Emotions are high and you're looking for someone to pay but legally you have to look at facts. He never said anything about Hamas from the screen caps I saw.

Legally, I doubt he’s got a leg to stand on. He was on probation and there was enough hate speech on his social media, coupled with wearing a company uniform.

That being said, if you were at the rally, you support HAMAS. Plain and simple. You didn’t march last week. Or last month. You marched after the attack. Anyone at those rallies should be treated as terrorist sympathizers and anyone who is not a citizen of Canada should be looked at very carefully and sent back to where they came from if necessary.

[digits_]

Yes, because standing in solidarity with your colleagues for a better contract is in the same category as showing your support for HAMAS, an internationally recognized terror group who is responsible for countless atrocities, the most recent being this past weekend? Asking for a good CA and advocating the rape and murder of innocent civilians, many if whom were children is not the same thing.

Emotions are high and you're looking for someone to pay but legally you have to look at facts. He never said anything about Hamas from the screen caps I saw.

Which is another extremely important point: people are digitally lynching him based on screen caps and interpretations of things he supposedly said. Who here has seen the original video? Maybe it's as bad as described, perhaps not.

A link to the original video would be extremely helpful.

[Old fella]

Personally I wonder if this pilot’s political stand on this issue was so strong/overwhelming that he really didn’t care about his employment at AC. One has to know/understand that such public display was bound to attract serious attention that would be detrimental to one’s career. AC obviously thought so, they considered his positioning a cancerous growth that had to be immediately removed which they did. There may be some monetary settlement, perhaps through an NDA, who knows. This dude will never gain employment as an airline pilot here in Canada even North America. Understand he was a B787 FO, so he just may find a job at a Middle East airline who have same ac types. Those airlines may look the other way, perhaps harbour some support on his actions he undertook here in Canada, again who knows.

[Stu Pidasso]

Apparently he was still on probation so I’d say slim chances

First Officer on the 787. So not even relief. How many hours did he have to get hired directly as an FO on 787 to still be on probation?

To go direct onto the 787 as a F/O you require previous Jet time, likely flew one at Jazz. AC fired three guys a year or so ago and they all got their jobs back, one quit and went south, the biggest loud mouth was on probation. ALPA will have to go through the motions to get him his job back.

We'll never know but I would bet he gets a payout.

[dontcallmeshirley]

Which is another extremely important point: people are digitally lynching him based on screen caps and interpretations of things he supposedly said. Who here has seen the original video? Maybe it's as bad as described, perhaps not.

A link to the original video would be extremely helpful.

There is something called context. Most adults have the ability to use context to understand deeper meaning of communication.

Since you obviously don't have that skill, let me explain it to you.

In a vacuum, saying "FREE PALESTINE," "KEEP THE WORLD CLEAN (AND TRASH ISRAEL)", and "HITLER WOULD BE PROUD" are all provocative, but within the bounds of someone who doesn't know how to shut up. Add the context of the massacre at the music festival, families being murdered, women being raped, children being shoved into bird cages, and you get the true story. The idiot doesn't support Palestinians... he supports Hamas and their openly expressed genocidal wishes to kill all Jews.

Digits_, I strongly suggest you stop defending people who support atrocities lest you continue to prove my argument made the other day.

[Old fella]

To me this is a decent thread with various opinions. However if it keeps going in the name- calling direction, the moderator will again be forced to lock it.

[braaap Braap]

Emotions are high and you're looking for someone to pay but legally you have to look at facts. He never said anything about Hamas from the screen caps I saw.

Which is another extremely important point: people are digitally lynching him based on screen caps and interpretations of things he supposedly said. Who here has seen the original video? Maybe it's as bad as described, perhaps not.

A link to the original video would be extremely helpful.

You know what Digits?

I feel absolutely no need to justify my views on this to you.

Your views are irrelevant here.

FFS, can you go back to giving useless investment commentary so we don't get a 3rd discussion locked?!

[digits_]

Which is another extremely important point: people are digitally lynching him based on screen caps and interpretations of things he supposedly said. Who here has seen the original video? Maybe it's as bad as described, perhaps not.

A link to the original video would be extremely helpful.

There is something called context. Most adults have the ability to use context to understand deeper meaning of communication.

Since you obviously don't have that skill, let me explain it to you.

In a vacuum, saying "FREE PALESTINE," "KEEP THE WORLD CLEAN (AND TRASH ISRAEL)", and "HITLER WOULD BE PROUD" are all provocative, but within the bounds of someone who doesn't know how to shut up. Add the context of the massacre at the music festival, families being murdered, women being raped, children being shoved into bird cages, and you get the true story. The idiot doesn't support Palestinians... he supports Hamas and their openly expressed genocidal wishes to kill all Jews.

Digits_, I strongly suggest you stop defending people who support atrocities lest you continue to prove my argument made the other day.

Your reply assumes he said all those things. Did you see the original posts and video? Did he say those things, and if so, in which context? We have screen caps and a North American biased media reporting he did. If you look at news reporting in other countries, they are approaching things from a different context.

So yes, context is important, as you stated. We don't have the context in which he made this post, or the context in how he said things. Is it too much to ask to see the first hand original video/posts before deciding to bring out the pitch forks?

The pilot in question did not hurt anyone. He did not physically attack someone. It seems likely he put his employer in a bad light, perhaps firing on probation was appropriate. But hoping to destroy his career without further evidence is a lynch mob mentality.

Another example, the pictures shown in the news articles are from a rally he attended. When was this rally? 2 months ago? years ago? Or one that was organized right after the attack? As you brought up yourself, there's a difference.

According to Wikipedia, Hamas is an elected government by the Palestinians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_government
It seems logical that for a majority of Palestinian supporters, support for Palestinans equals support for Hamas, and vice versa. I'm sure there are exceptions, but Hamas isn't some fringe group.

These reports are about a war where Canada is not directly involved. Canada has a diverse population. It stands to reason that there are supporters from both groups living in this country, and a whole bunch of people who don't really care. Both sides have committed atrocities. I don't think we as Canadians have the right to determine as a society which side in probably the most complex conflict on the planet is the good side, and which one is the bad side. It's soo simplistic. It doesn't help anyone. It's also impossible.

And yes, the attack was horrible. It's important to realize it didn't happen in a vacuum. The context you deem important is vital to place this attack. It's an act of war. And the war has been going on for over 70 years.

[dontcallmeshirley]

And yes, the attack was horrible. It's important to realize it didn't happen in a vacuum. The context you deem important is vital to place this attack. It's an act of war. And the war has been going on for over 70 years.

Rape is not self defense.
Decapitating children is not self defense.
Burning down homes while the families are inside of them is not self defense.

But you continue to tell me how firing indiscriminately into a music festival is just war.

You are garbage. No, I am not calling you names, I am identifying what I see.

[apetogetherstrong]

I for one support Hamas, at least they work together, which is more than can be said for you lot who won’t work together for better wages. Pathetic!

[Jean-Pierre]

Legally, I doubt he’s got a leg to stand on. He was on probation and there was enough hate speech on his social media, coupled with wearing a company uniform.

That being said, if you were at the rally, you support HAMAS. Plain and simple. You didn’t march last week. Or last month. You marched after the attack. Anyone at those rallies should be treated as terrorist sympathizers and anyone who is not a citizen of Canada should be looked at very carefully and sent back to where they came from if necessary.

I don't believe this is correct. I think the rally picture were from before the attack. Either way this cancel culture is very scary to me.

[dontcallmeshirley]

I for one support Hamas, at least they work together, which is more than can be said for you lot who won’t work together for better wages. Pathetic!

Troll attempt noted. This reply is your participation medal.

I don't believe this is correct. I think the rally picture were from before the attack. Either way this cancel culture is very scary to me.

If your family and friends are ever brutally attacked, I'm sure you'll support cancelling them and their supporters.

[digits_]

I don't believe this is correct. I think the rally picture were from before the attack. Either way this cancel culture is very scary to me.

If your family and friends are ever brutally attacked, I'm sure you'll support cancelling them and their supporters.

Of course you do, that's only human. That's why our society has evolved into a legal model where the victims do not decide on a punishment for the perpetrator.

Cancel culture is the modern equivalent of the lynch mob. You have partial information, make a split second decision, and dig in your heels to defend that position. It's not how justice is supposed to work.

[braaap Braap]

And yes, the attack was horrible. It's important to realize it didn't happen in a vacuum. The context you deem important is vital to place this attack. It's an act of war. And the war has been going on for over 70 years.

Rape is not self defense.
Decapitating children is not self defense.
Burning down homes while the families are inside of them is not self defense.

But you continue to tell me how firing indiscriminately into a music festival is just war.

You are garbage. No, I am not calling you names, I am identifying what I see. :@#$!:

Nobody here is supporting/condoning Hamas' actions. They are horrible and evil atrocities. Digits and others are just saying pump the brakes on destroying this specific individual's life until you know for sure what the context behind the photos is; or that he is a Hamas supporter. You and rookie appear to be so quick to vilify anyone who isn't onboard with cancelling this guy until the whole story comes out (doubt it ever will). One can be critical of both sides without supporting/condoning rape, decapitation, burning of homes. Especially when the conflict is as nuanced and has such deep historical roots as Palestine vs Israel.

[Dias]

It's disturbing to see how many people are ready to ruin someone over attending peaceful political protest.

What if the government legislates picketing Air Canada pilots back to work. Then they close their bank accounts, and the accounts of anyone that tries to give them money. Think that can't happen?

[Just another canuck]

Legally, I doubt he’s got a leg to stand on. He was on probation and there was enough hate speech on his social media, coupled with wearing a company uniform.

That being said, if you were at the rally, you support HAMAS. Plain and simple. You didn’t march last week. Or last month. You marched after the attack. Anyone at those rallies should be treated as terrorist sympathizers and anyone who is not a citizen of Canada should be looked at very carefully and sent back to where they came from if necessary.

I don't believe this is correct. I think the rally picture were from before the attack. Either way this cancel culture is very scary to me.

IMG_8082.jpeg (118.63 KiB) Viewed 2071 times

IMG_8083.jpeg (68.33 KiB) Viewed 2071 times

IMG_8084.jpeg (94.11 KiB) Viewed 2071 times

Nope. He got pumped right up when the women and children were tortured and murdered.

France just banned pro Palestinian rallies. Because that’s not why they are. They’re pro Hamas. Pro murder. Pro torture. Pro rape.

I suggest the lot of you to pick up some history books. If you think for one second this is all about land, give your head a shake.

[dontcallmeshirley]

Of course you do, that's only human. That's why our society has evolved into a legal model where the victims do not decide on a punishment for the perpetrator.

Cancel culture is the modern equivalent of the lynch mob. You have partial information, make a split second decision, and dig in your heels to defend that position. It's not how justice is supposed to work.

This isn't cancel culture. This is an idiot voicing a political stance while in uniform that very clearly identifies his employer.

His employer decided that they did not want to be associated with a person who supports terrorism and terminated their relationship with him.

He supports Hamas, a terrorist organization. He also is associated with "a friend" who was flying an airliner that crashed under mysterious circumstances. I would be surprised if, now that his history has been brought to light, that he would be able to hold a RAIC without further in depth scrutiny.

[dontcallmeshirley]

Nobody here is supporting/condoning Hamas' actions. They are horrible and evil atrocities. Digits and others are just saying pump the brakes on destroying this specific individual's life until you know for sure what the context behind the photos is; or that he is a Hamas supporter. You and rookie appear to be so quick to vilify anyone who isn't onboard with cancelling this guy until the whole story comes out (doubt it ever will). One can be critical of both sides without supporting/condoning rape, decapitation, burning of homes. Especially when the conflict is as nuanced and has such deep historical roots as Palestine vs Israel.

Digits_ has been attempting to justify Hamas' actions in this thread and in a previously deleted thread.

[rookiepilot]

Cancel culture? Hello? I don’t think so. Not even close.

This employer decided it did not want this individual, deliberately in uniform with the AC logo on display while protesting their beliefs — important distinction here — representing their company anymore.

That is their right. The individual can sue if they don’t agree.

If they weren’t in uniform, might have a case. Might.