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Flair in hot water with the CRA

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busines ... ter-court/

Gotta wonder when 777 is going to get tired of bailing them out…
The federal government has obtained a court order that allows it to direct the seizure and sale of Flair Airlines Ltd. property in Alberta to recoup more than $67-million in unpaid taxes.

Flair incurred the taxes from the import of 20 Boeing 737 Max aircraft, and has made arrangements to pay the amount owed, said Ashley Fields, a spokeswoman for Flair.

The ruling issued by the Federal Court of Canada comes less than a year after a leasing company repossessed four of Flair’s aircraft for missed rent payments.

The court documents, dated Nov. 23 and obtained by The Globe and Mail, certify the Edmonton-based discount airline owes the Canada Revenue Agency $67,174,123.37, plus penalties, interest and other fees.

“We have a mutually agreed-upon payment plan with CRA to pay these importation duties, and we are current with that plan,” Ms. Fields said in an e-mail on Saturday.

The court issued the writ of seizure and sale at the request of the government’s assistant director of revenue collections. The order directs the Sheriff of Alberta or other licensed agency to “seize and sell the real property or immovables and the personal property or movables within your jurisdiction of Flair Airlines Ltd.”

Ms. Fields did not comment on whether any Flair property has been seized and sold, but said the airline’s operations are not affected by the court order, and the terms of the repayment agreement are confidential. Eighteen of the aircraft – all 737 Maxes – were imported beginning in 2021, she said.

Kim Thiffault, a spokeswoman for the Canada Revenue Agency, declined to answer specific questions on the matter, citing privacy laws.

Ms. Thiffault said the department’s collection policy is to resolve tax arrears in a “mutually satisfactory way” with payment arrangements based on a party’s ability to pay. “As a last resort, we may take additional legal collection actions, such as seizing property or assets to protect the interests of the Crown,” Ms. Thiffault said in an e-mail.

Flair, a discount airline based in Edmonton, flies 20 leased Boeing 737s to domestic, U.S. and tropical destinations. The airline was founded in 2005, and is partly owned by Miami’s 777 Partners, which has been the company’s main provider of leased aircraft and financing. 777 Partners did not respond to e-mailed questions on Saturday.

Flair’s tax situation comes as the airline industry’s recovery from the pandemic is well under way. Demand for air travel has recovered but airlines find themselves in tough competition as industry players seek to boost market share while the economy shows signs of slowing and consumers face seat prices that have risen sharply in recent years.

Canada’s domestic airline industry is dominated by Air Canada, which accounts for almost half of the market in 2023, followed by WestJet Airlines’ 26-per-cent share, according to Cirium, an aviation data company. Flair has about 10 per cent of the domestic market.

Flair’s tax arrears come to light less than a year after an aircraft leasing company repossessed four Flair Boeing 737 planes for non-payment of rent. Airborne Capital of Dublin seized the four aircraft at airports in Edmonton, Toronto and Waterloo, Ont., on March 11, 2023. The leasing company said Flair failed to make payments worth “millions” of dollars over five months.

Before the seizures, the Globe reported, Airborne and another lessor, BOC Aviation, were offering a total of 11 of Flair’s 19 planes to other airlines.

Flair CEO Stephen Jones has said part-owner 777 Partners repaid the amount owed on seven of the planes, which remain in Flair’s possession. Mr. Jones said Flair paid Airborne $4.2-million shortly before the seizures and promised another $1-million was coming before the planes were repossessed “in the dark of night.”

Airborne disputed Mr. Jones’ account, and said the missed payments were persistent.

The Canadian Transportation Agency in 2022 launched an investigation of Flair to ensure 777 Partners was not exerting effective control of the airline, in violation of laws that require an airline be Canadian controlled. The CTA’s preliminary inquiry found 777 Partners owned 25-per-cent of Flair but held “dominant” influence as a major lender and provider of leased aircraft. Three of Flair’s five directors were tied to 777 Partners.

Foreign investment in a Canadian airline is limited to 49 per cent, or 25 per cent by one person. Additionally, foreigners cannot call the shots, something the CTA calls “control in fact.”

After Flair agreed to reduce its reliance on 777 Partners for financing and leases, and to add more Canadians to the board of directors, the CTA ruled that Flair was Canadian.

A CTA spokesman said on Friday the agency “continuously monitors Flair for any change that may impact” its Canadian status. “The agency will take action if the situation warrants it, to ensure that Flair, as all carriers, uphold its licensing obligations,” Jadrino Huot said.

Megan Sutton, a spokeswoman for Edmonton International Airport, where Flair has its headquarters, declined to comment on the airport’s financial arrangements with the airline.
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How long until they run out of money completely?
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Yikes, they had trouble paying 5 million in lease arrears, now 67 million in addition to regular operating costs.
When did Flair come to a payment arrangement, after the notice of seizure?
I’m not sure the government would take that step if they didn’t need too, or is this a way to be first in line in case of bankruptcy?
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I've heard rumors of late payments for a while now, but didn't realize there was anything close to this size. Will the government let them take any more aircraft until these importation duties are paid off?

Add this to whatever else they may be behind on, plus the 2-3 hundred million they've publicly stated they're accruing 18% interest on and not even making payments. It's hard to see how this company with just 20 aircraft to generate revenue and no real assets can remain a going concern, unless 777 bails them out again.

Like Mr. Jones said himself last year, 'at some point there will be some form of reckoning'. Couldn't agree more.
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They only need 419 students in their training program to pay off the 67 million.
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Tick tick tick. Time is running out.

I honestly do not wish a business closure on any fellow aviators, but this business model simply doesn’t work in Canada. You can brag all you want about saving Canadians 300 million (or whatever last weeks op ed was), but that’s irrelevant when you can’t pay your taxes (or lease payments, or fuel bills, or….)
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PostmasterGeneral wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:34 am How long until they run out of money completely?
They could be living off money from future ticket bookings which isn’t a sustainable business model. I don’t know. I am not a business guy, I just fly planes but I hope they survive.
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digits_ wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:57 am They only need 419 students in their training program to pay off the 67 million.
I wonder if we're going to see another Jetsgo happen with this program
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PostmasterGeneral wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:34 am How long until they run out of money completely?
Has to be kinda unnerving for the current employees and one has to feel for them should things go astray down the road. Having said that where there’s smoke there’s fire or a pretty decent hot spot and for the sake of the people at Flair, hopefully it will cool down soonest.
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Yikes, my significant other has tickets booked on Flair for April! :shock:
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EPR wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:28 pm Yikes, my significant other has tickets booked on Flair for April! :shock:
Don't worry, the CRA won't be repossessing anything or they wouldn't see a dime of that money. Besides I'm not sure the staplers and Ipads the company owns would cover much. You're partner's tickets are going to be just fine...

Weird kerfuffle over information that was made public back in November.
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Wow, that was some interview on BNN with SJ. 10 minutes of reiterating how he has brought low fares to Canada. But yet how many passengers has he inconvenienced in the making. Maybe it’s just me but airfare on the 2 majors in this country has only risen, and thier planes are full and for the most part much more reliable. Probability is at an all time high. Does flair have profit share? or are the employees subsiding the low flares the CEO brags about saving Canadians. How much cake is SJ taking home between now and when the doors close.
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Odd. When I imported my GA aircraft, I got pulled aside and grilled by the CBSA for 10 minutes on the price I paid and the duty owing. That aircraft wasn't leaving until the taxes were paid on import. How are corporations like this allowed to import these assets, and get away with running on government credit?
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Howitzer wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:33 pm Odd. When I imported my GA aircraft, I got pulled aside and grilled by the CBSA for 10 minutes on the price I paid and the duty owing. That aircraft wasn't leaving until the taxes were paid on import. How are corporations like this allowed to import these assets, and get away with running on government credit?
Hmmm…. Money?
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PA-18 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:49 pm Wow, that was some interview on BNN with SJ. 10 minutes of reiterating how he has brought low fares to Canada.
5-1 he is setting up to ask for a government handout.
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rookiepilot wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:18 am
PA-18 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:49 pm Wow, that was some interview on BNN with SJ. 10 minutes of reiterating how he has brought low fares to Canada.
5-1 he is setting up to ask for a government handout.
ZERO chance that will happen.
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PropDog wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:08 am
Howitzer wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:33 pm Odd. When I imported my GA aircraft, I got pulled aside and grilled by the CBSA for 10 minutes on the price I paid and the duty owing. That aircraft wasn't leaving until the taxes were paid on import. How are corporations like this allowed to import these assets, and get away with running on government credit?
Hmmm…. Money?
Well, apparently not. That's kind of the problem.
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rudder wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:38 am
rookiepilot wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:18 am
PA-18 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:49 pm Wow, that was some interview on BNN with SJ. 10 minutes of reiterating how he has brought low fares to Canada.
5-1 he is setting up to ask for a government handout.
ZERO chance that will happen.
But, rudder! Haven't you heard? They're the only ones providing Canadians with affordable air fares, saving customers around 300MM! Naturally they should get at least that much from the feds.
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Tbayer2021 wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:42 am
rudder wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:38 am
rookiepilot wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:18 am

5-1 he is setting up to ask for a government handout.
ZERO chance that will happen.
But, rudder! Haven't you heard? They're the only ones providing Canadians with affordable air fares, saving customers around 300MM! Naturally they should get at least that much from the feds.
Doesn't matter if it is Flair, Porter, AC, WJ, or a cargo carrier. There is no federally sponsored bailout available.

There were COVID loans for some (not Flair. Instead they took an 18% interest loan from 777 Partners). But there is a CRA agreed repayment plan (that is de facto assistance).

Flair. JetsGo. Same thing. If you are not cash flow positive, it won’t last. It doesn’t matter if you think that you are offering some kind of special product. Besides, what is so ‘special’ about offering wet leases in Australia?

Nobody can spin this story in to anything other than exactly what it is. F50 became F20 (or F18 if you subtract the Australia airframes).

Hope for the best. But plan for the worst. There haven’t been more opportunities in aviation than there are now. But the music is going to slow down within the next 24 months. Make good decisions.
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What if Flair has been a front for 777 group to launder money from their other endeavours? They do have a shady past and it wouldn’t shock me. With that perspective everything they have been doing seems brilliant.
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Well, I wouldn’t worry about Flair’s CRA tax bill.
Especially since it’s old news.

But, if I were a Toronto Maple Leaf owing back taxes on $8 million to the CRA, I might be sweating bullets.

Hey, payment schedule in place, we’re good. Business as usual for F8. Owing money to any number of players is nothing new in the airline industry. Especially for ULCCs.

Since Flair lease their fleet I can’t imagine what any seizure would mean for Flair but it could have a greater impact on 777.
Let’s see? The fair market value of one 737 Max is roughly $120 million USDs. I guess seizing 1 B737 would put a serious dent in that IOU. Maybe that’s why CRA haven’t seized anything at Flair?

Then there’s the problem that 777 is the middle man. Not the aircraft owner. 🤔

Wait. This isn’t as straight forward as you thought.
If Flair has an agreement with the CRA it’s all good.

Ops normal.
Nothing to see here.

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Gino Under wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:35 pm But, if I were a Toronto Maple Leaf owing back taxes on $8 million to the CRA, I might be sweating bullets.
Actually, he's fighting an assessment. It's quite likely he has already paid this to pause any interest, and likely has the funds set aside already.
Gino Under wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:35 pm Well, I wouldn’t worry about Flair’s CRA tax bill.

Hey, payment schedule in place, we’re good. Business as usual for F8. Owing money to any number of players is nothing new in the airline industry. Especially for ULCCs.

Since Flair lease their fleet I can’t imagine what any seizure would mean for Flair but it could have a greater impact on 777.
Let’s see? The fair market value of one 737 Max is roughly $120 million USDs. I guess seizing 1 B737 would put a serious dent in that IOU. Maybe that’s why CRA haven’t seized anything at Flair?

Nothing to see here.
Seizure process takes steps as far as CRA is concerned. Given their status as a super-creditor they have extra steps they have to take. If the agreement isn't followed they theoretically could step in, and even if it's followed they could change their mind with notice. These agreements aren't as simple as they sound and get modified on the fly. Traditionally corporations have a 6-12 month window to pay off these debts otherwise senior department heads have to sign off on agreements or further action happens. Add to this any other debts F8 might accrue from here and these agreements get redone.

This *is* a big deal because you don't hear all the other airlines having these issues. F8 is slowly looking like it's going to be a Jetsgo scenario if a merger doesn't happen soon.

Losing tails will hurt them big time from a credibility standpoint and forward bookings. The more bad news, the worse it gets.
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CRA is unlikely, if it ever comes to that, to seize (plural, as in more than one) flying assets. The seizing of a single aircraft might be reasonable but I doubt as your comment suggests any seizure of assets would involve more than one aircraft. Who knows? This is all conjecture on the part of outside disinterested pundits. Including me.
Reality is, all of Flair’s aircraft generate income and some of that income goes to the CRA, so it’s unlikely CRA would cut that money stream off until such time that Flair misses several payments.

The fact is, as of today at least, Flair continues to operate. Merger rumours aside.
CRA is unlikely to seize Flair aircraft because there is a negotiated good faith agreement in place, signed by both parties last November.

As for your suggestion others don’t suffer the same or similar financial woes or public embarrassment, I can only say one thing with certainty…. Sure. Flair is alone and no other carrier stands at the threshold of financial ruin.

Let’s see. Shall we??

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I don't think the issue is the CRA seizing assets. I think it's that money that's going to the CRA is being diverted from elsewhere, which means either someone isn't getting paid or bigger loans are being taken out. Based on Jones's evasion in the recent BNN interview, it's pretty clear that money isn't being taken from profits. Sooner or later, a fuel supplier won't get paid and will shut off the tap, or Flair won't be able to get parts or catering, or employees won't get their paycheques, or air navigation fees will be in arrears and crews won't get clearances. They can only shuffle the cards around for so long before someone hits the off switch.
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I'm not sure how CRA can take the planes since they're not owned by Flair, maybe the ones owned by 777?

Flairs assets amount to not much more than cash from future bookings (also a liability) and some office supplies.
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