CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:38 am
Sounds fun.
I love a good public court tribunal with everyone’s laundry aired out on the clothes’ line. People wanna work past 65… all the power to you. And yea, you probably won’t be occupying a front desk seat.
Every carrier either has or will have to deal with this as Federally regulated employers.
What Jazz and the JAZ MEC did was the bare minimum hoping to avoid having the CHRT impose a solution.
AC was successful in arguing BFOR with no reasonable ability to accommodate. Each operator has its own set of facts so there really is no template outcome.
So, it isn’t a matter of ‘if’ but rather ‘when’ each carrier will have to deal with the issue.
Jazz has status pay. So if the 65 year old E175 and CRJ Captains in YYZ and YUL want to do a full initial course to go back on the Dash8-400 to keep flying(as crazy as that sounds to me) I guess at least they won’t be losing any pay. But at AC, the vast, vast majority of age 65 pilots are widebody Captains making close to $300,000 a year. The only possible way for them to have kept flying would be to go back on the A220 for the handful of domestic flights it does. How on earth does taking a massive pay cut make sense, instead of enjoying your golden years and DB pension which would have almost the same take home pay as a 220 Captain?
On the contrary, I’d argue that once you stop working, you start living. Unless you are broke, and miserable from poor decisions during your working years. How about seeing the grandkids more often and traveling, golfing all the time, not having to commute… the list goes on
CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:19 am
For sake of conversation, I guess an argument can be made here that when you stop working, you start dying.
Give me 6 digits pension and I would never set foot in Canada again because I'd be too busy partying it up in Bahamas, Bali, Seychelles, Maldives, Tenerife and 1000 other places.
hithere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:15 am
Jazz has status pay. So if the 65 year old E175 and CRJ Captains in YYZ and YUL want to do a full initial course to go back on the Dash8-400 to keep flying(as crazy as that sounds to me) I guess at least they won’t be losing any pay. But at AC, the vast, vast majority of age 65 pilots are widebody Captains making close to $300,000 a year. The only possible way for them to have kept flying would be to go back on the A220 for the handful of domestic flights it does. How on earth does taking a massive pay cut make sense, instead of enjoying your golden years and DB pension which would have almost the same take home pay as a 220 Captain?
Believe it or not, some pilots actually like flying.
hithere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:15 am
Jazz has status pay. So if the 65 year old E175 and CRJ Captains in YYZ and YUL want to do a full initial course to go back on the Dash8-400 to keep flying(as crazy as that sounds to me) I guess at least they won’t be losing any pay. But at AC, the vast, vast majority of age 65 pilots are widebody Captains making close to $300,000 a year. The only possible way for them to have kept flying would be to go back on the A220 for the handful of domestic flights it does. How on earth does taking a massive pay cut make sense, instead of enjoying your golden years and DB pension which would have almost the same take home pay as a 220 Captain?
Believe it or not, some pilots actually like flying.
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HAHA ! I am 100% with you on this statement Outlaw and very close to your number !
hithere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:15 am
Jazz has status pay. So if the 65 year old E175 and CRJ Captains in YYZ and YUL want to do a full initial course to go back on the Dash8-400 to keep flying(as crazy as that sounds to me) I guess at least they won’t be losing any pay. But at AC, the vast, vast majority of age 65 pilots are widebody Captains making close to $300,000 a year. The only possible way for them to have kept flying would be to go back on the A220 for the handful of domestic flights it does. How on earth does taking a massive pay cut make sense, instead of enjoying your golden years and DB pension which would have almost the same take home pay as a 220 Captain?
Believe it or not, some pilots actually like flying.
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HAHA ! I am 100% with you on this statement Outlaw and very close to your number !
Flying airplanes, has been, and always will be, fun. It’s why most of us got into it as a career. The airline industry, however, will suck the life out of you. Even post 60, the longer one waits to retire, the shorter one’s life expectancy. There are myriad studies on this .If you really want to fly post 65 and enjoy retirement maybe fly privately, on your own schedule?
I don’t get it. If you’re that much in love with flying go buy a Cub or a small Cessna. There’s also corporate jobs where you fly but a lot less. The thought of getting up at age 65 at 0400 local on the east coast to go through security and get frisked by some CATSA flunkies interests you go ahead. I think a lot of it is the skyrocketing inflation and cost of living. Some aviators might be great at flying but lousy at financial planning.
Inverted2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:33 pm
I don’t get it. If you’re that much in love with flying go buy a Cub or a small Cessna. There’s also corporate jobs where you fly but a lot less. The thought of getting up at age 65 at 0400 local on the east coast to go through security and get frisked by some CATSA flunkies interests you go ahead. I think a lot of it is the skyrocketing inflation and cost of living. Some aviators might be great at flying but lousy at financial planning.
