Canada to ban U.S. military overflights?

[atc_is_god]

Heard from a well-placed source at work that NAV Canada is considering banning polar overflights of U.S. military flights as a response to the tariffs.

Why stop there? Cut off their commercial carriers too. That’ll get Trump’s attention.

[pelmet]

Heard from a well-placed source at work that NAV Canada is considering banning polar overflights of U.S. military flights as a response to the tariffs.

Why stop there? Cut off their commercial carriers too. That’ll get Trump’s attention.

One should always ask how that would affect Canadian carriers as well before acting on an idea. For example, I would suspect that every flight to a warm destination goes through American airspace.

Any comments are welcome.

[‘Bob’]

The US is a lot smaller than Canada airspace-wise. It would be an inconvenience to Canada and Canadians. It would be devastating to the US both economically and militarily.

Hopefully people realize that these trade wars serve absolutely nobody except the oligarchs in the US who want another reset so they can buy both countries at pennys on the dollar.

[pelmet]

The US is a lot smaller than Canada airspace-wise. It would be an inconvenience to Canada and Canadians. It would be devastating to the US both economically and militarily.

Perhaps but I am not sure about devastating. There would definitely be disruption on commercial European flights from central and western US but I would think that many of them could take a more southerly route. The military is already used to taking long routes around closed airspace and would simply use tankers as required.

But I would be interested in any other opinions on this.

[goingnowherefast]

Don't prohibit US aviation. Increase the nav fees. They use our airports as ETOPS diversion options, we need to maintain those airports, but we don't get revenue from their use. You wanna use Churchill as an ETOPS alternate? $15 per ton. Yellowknife has road access and is a bit cheaper, so $8/ton. Iqaluit is $12/ton.

Don't want to pay the new Canadian ETOPS nav fees? Fly further.

[altiplano]

The military would just violate it. What are we doing to do? We can't do anything. Don't start a pushing match you're going to lose badly.

[rookiepilot]

Don't prohibit US aviation. Increase the nav fees. They use our airports as ETOPS diversion options, we need to maintain those airports, but we don't get revenue from their use. You wanna use Churchill as an ETOPS alternate? $15 per ton. Yellowknife has road access and is a bit cheaper, so $8/ton. Iqaluit is $12/ton.

Don't want to pay the new Canadian ETOPS nav fees? Fly further.

Agreed. Its trade. No trade is free.

[khedrei]

The US is a lot smaller than Canada airspace-wise.

On what planet?

Have you ever looked at an airspace map?

[Old fella]

Turnip-Top and his wacky administration will implode in a couple of years. There will be version 2.0 of “ Woodward & Bernstein + Deep Throat” because Turnip-Top’s “ plumbers” will be rather inept in plugging the many leaks. It will be fun to watch.

[RoAF-Mig21]

It's absurd to think that we're a match for Americans.

They're the only ones protecting us from Russia and China... We'd have the Russians attack us the next day if we didn't have America's support. Absurd. You people need to live under the Russians or Chinese to see what that's like. I had 8 glorious years of Soviet oppression during the 80s.

No thanks. I'll take the Orange Pumpkin with his idiotic and misplaced tariffs (over what I had before).

[2R]

Such a historic decision should be voted on in Parliament . Not some corporate office making a decision that could end the confederation .

[digits_]

Such a historic decision should be voted on in Parliament . Not some corporate office making a decision that could end the confederation .

I've been curious about this. Is it truly the president who can decide all these things one sidedly, or is it technically a secretary/member of cabinet who decides those things?

[Me262]

The military would just violate it. What are we doing to do? We can't do anything. Don't start a pushing match you're going to lose badly.

Exactly, take any airforce base in the US, they have more serviceable planes than the entire RCAF. Basically 1 navy, 1 army, 1 AF base would wipe out the entire CAF

[Inverted2]

Heard from a well-placed source at work that NAV Canada is considering banning polar overflights of U.S. military flights as a response to the tariffs.

Why stop there? Cut off their commercial carriers too. That’ll get Trump’s attention.

Then they’ll stop us flying there and 50% of Canadian airline pilots will be laid off in short order.

[Justjohn]

“The US is a lot smaller than Canada airspace-wise. It would be an inconvenience to Canada and Canadians. It would be devastating to the US both economically and militarily.”


The U.S. would just interrupt their GPS signal that the American Taxpayer provides virtually free to the world for about 24 hours and so much chaos, not just to airspace but the navigation system in most modern cars and cell phones to remind people of just how much we depend on the U.S. .


A quote from Dr Google:


GPS is not free. it cost about $12 billion to put it up in the first place, and costs about $2 million per day to maintain.

it was created by the US department of defense for military use, but after korean air lines flight 007 got lost, accidentally flew into the soviet union, and was shot down, the reagan administration decided there were good reasons to let civilians use it too.

it's become so important to everyone, so now the pentagon can always get more cash to upgrade it, since it's a public benefit.

[goldeneagle]

There are treaties in place. Just because the US has violated a treaty, doesn't mean Canada needs to start violating other treaties. The USMCA has basically been ripped up and tossed in the waste basket by the current US administration, so anything covered by that is fair game right now. A more measured and appropriate approach to overflights would be to increase the NavCan fees, and that'll simply bring a similar response for Canadian aircraft headed to Mexico and the Caribbean, so another 'lose-lose' situation.

[khedrei]

We need to hurt them in a way they can't hurt us.

We should put a 1000% tarrif on orange make-up.

[CaptDukeNukem]

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“The US is a lot smaller than Canada airspace-wise. It would be an inconvenience to Canada and Canadians. It would be devastating to the US both economically and militarily.”


The U.S. would just interrupt their GPS signal that the American Taxpayer provides virtually free to the world for about 24 hours and so much chaos, not just to airspace but the navigation system in most modern cars and cell phones to remind people of just how much we depend on the U.S. .


A quote from Dr Google:


GPS is not free. it cost about $12 billion to put it up in the first place, and costs about $2 million per day to maintain.

it was created by the US department of defense for military use, but after korean air lines flight 007 got lost, accidentally flew into the soviet union, and was shot down, the reagan administration decided there were good reasons to let civilians use it too.

it's become so important to everyone, so now the pentagon can always get more cash to upgrade it, since it's a public benefit.

We don’t need GPS. We have fixed card NDBs and for the lucky ones…. RMIs. lol:

Bring back those circling alpha approaches