Climate problem ‘enormous'

[Glen Quagmire]

Not a tree hugging lib-lefty being quoted here but our very own Stephen Harper

Climate change is an “enormous” problem but it won't be fixed overnight, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Friday.

Responding to the release of a new report in Paris Friday, Mr. Harper told reporters: “I think the science is clear that these changes are occurring, they're serious and we must act.”

Quite the departure from "Kyoto is based on tentative and contradictory scientific evidence about climate trends. It focuses on carbon dioxide, which is essential to life, rather than upon pollutants.''

[the_professor]

Not a tree hugging lib-lefty being quoted here but our very own Stephen Harper

Climate change is an “enormous” problem but it won't be fixed overnight, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Friday.

Responding to the release of a new report in Paris Friday, Mr. Harper told reporters: “I think the science is clear that these changes are occurring, they're serious and we must act.”

Quite the departure from "Kyoto is based on tentative and contradictory scientific evidence about climate trends. It focuses on carbon dioxide, which is essential to life, rather than upon pollutants.''

Today's IPCC report was written by bureaucrats for politicians/policy makers. The actual science report is not being published until May or June. We won't see the details behind the theory until then.

In the meantime, today's report will certainly continue to fuel comments like "the tornadoes in Florida are yet another example of how global warming is slowly killing us all!!!!!!! GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!! RUNNNNNN!!!!!!!"

[Chantal]

Hope you all won't mind if I'll be hanging around for the next 90 days!!

http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipe ... 9-sun.html

You're sure there is Global Warming?

[cyyz]

It'll be interesting to see how they manage to spin this as another "hottest winters" in the last century ordeal.

I think doc was right, this is the biggest scam in the universe, "give us money, so we can do more research." In 10, 100 and 1000 years, they'll still be babbling about global warming....

[shimmydampner]

I'm pretty sure, that one way or another in 1000 years there won't be anyone left on earth to babble about anything. I give the human race 500 years or less until it drives itself to extinction. In fact I'll bet on it.

[still_bluenoser]

I'm pretty sure, that one way or another in 1000 years there won't be anyone left on earth to babble about anything. I give the human race 500 years or less until it drives itself to extinction. In fact I'll bet on it.

How much? I'll bet 5,000,000$ the Sun will explode!

I'M GONA BE RICH!!!!!!!!!!!

[N2]

Cripes now pilots are climate experts too!

[Siddley Hawker]

Today's IPCC report was written by bureaucrats for politicians/policy makers. The actual science report is not being published until May or June. We won't see the details behind the theory until then.

Here's the reason why the actual report is being withheld for several months. It's being edited to conform with the summary that was issued on Friday.
http://www.junkscience.com/

[the_professor]

Today's IPCC report was written by bureaucrats for politicians/policy makers. The actual science report is not being published until May or June. We won't see the details behind the theory until then.

Here's the reason why the actual report is being withheld for several months. It's being edited to conform with the summary that was issued on Friday.
http://www.junkscience.cm/

"IPCC procedures state that: Changes (other than grammatical or minor editorial changes) made after acceptance by the Working Group or the Panel shall be those necessary to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policymakers or the Overview Chapter"


"Ok, what did the summary say? Right, now let's change the data to support the recommendations made in the summary.... Yeah, that's the ticket."

Now I'm sold on the whole process. My apologies to everyone. I'm buying in at 100%.

[Glen Quagmire]

[the_professor]

The only people in denial are those who choose to believe that the same branch of science that cannot accurately predict the weather 2 days in advance can somehow develop climate prediction models for decades or centuries into the future.

[N2]

The only people in denial are those who choose to believe that the same branch of science that cannot accurately predict the weather 2 days in advance can somehow develop climate prediction models for decades or centuries into the future.

Ever listen to David Suzuki on this subject or dozen of other scientists...but then again what does Suzuki know!

If you were on the boat to beach at Normady you'd probablly be the one saying..."don't worry guys they would never dare shoot at us, it's safe trust me!"

[the_professor]

The only people in denial are those who choose to believe that the same branch of science that cannot accurately predict the weather 2 days in advance can somehow develop climate prediction models for decades or centuries into the future.

Ever listen to David Suzuki on this subject or dozen of other scientists...but then again what does Suzuki know!

You've got to be kidding. David Suzuki is perhaps the most alarmist individual ever to be associated with the field of science. David Suzuki sees the steam coming from a million-year-old volcano and then frames it as a direct result of man's impact on the climate.

It would not surprise me if he were to somehow "prove" that the decline of the dinosaur was somehow related to man's use of fossil fuels, notwithstanding the fact that dinosaurs predated man on this planet by 65million years. (or around 9,000 years for you old testament folks)

[N2]

Yep you're right and all the scientist are wrong......don't know how it happened but boy did you put egg on their faces.

Just for the record my I inquire as to your area of expertise in climatic science?

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/
http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/default.asp
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... te-change/
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/

Just a few of hundreds of sites but everyone has it all wrong!

[Glen Quagmire]

Hey Prof

Here is an honest way to settle this: Provide us with the information you are using to base your stance against global warming. Include links and references where applicable. I am looking for credible people and organizations. Gut feelings and personal opinions are not good enough either.

Enlighten us a little.

[2R]

In the sixties the same esteemed ivory tower mob of over educated idiots were saying that an Ice Age was coming soon .

Strange that none of the Communist /Socialist countries are panicking about global warming eh .They just want the West to stop all the industrial military complex while they continue to pollute at will and build up their industrial military capacity.Is it a coincidence that the weapons used to kill Nato Troops are made in these communist countries ???

The Earth will defend itself from the human infestation soon enough .

When ever the world heats up a few volcanos pop off to cool it down .So no need to panic about a nice warm winter .

[fanspeed]

Hey Prof

Here is an honest way to settle this: Provide us with the information you are using to base your stance against global warming. Include links and references where applicable. I am looking for credible people and organizations. Gut feelings and personal opinions are not good enough either.

Enlighten us a little.

Unfortuneatly the Prof ain't too good at coming through with proof for his great ideas.

[Glen Quagmire]

In the sixties the same esteemed ivory tower mob of over educated idiots were saying that an Ice Age was coming soon .

Strange that none of the Communist /Socialist countries are panicking about global warming eh .They just want the West to stop all the industrial military complex while they continue to pollute at will and build up their industrial military capacity.Is it a coincidence that the weapons used to kill Nato Troops are made in these communist countries ???

The Earth will defend itself from the human infestation soon enough .

When ever the world heats up a few volcanos pop off to cool it down .So no need to panic about a nice warm winter .

WTF?

[North Shore]

Not only that, but evidently can't distinguish between Climate and weather...

accurately predict the weather 2 days in advance can somehow develop climate prediction models for decades or centuries into the future.

[the_professor]

Not only that, but evidently can't distinguish between Climate and weather...

accurately predict the weather 2 days in advance can somehow develop climate prediction models for decades or centuries into the future.

I know the difference. So does the meteorologist in the debate I watched the other day.

His point was that small errors/omissions in a model lead to huge variations in outcome, hence blown forecasts. "This didn't move like we thought it would". "It didn't weaken as forecast".

Models for our daily forecasts have been built based upon thousands and thousands of forecast "cycles", and a lot of the variables at least have historical data attached to them, with reasonable probabilities assigned, etc..

How many "three-day forecasts" have been produced (and can be analyzed after the fact for sources of deviations) in the last 80 years? Now let's talk about climate change models. Still debated openly among scientists today are questions like "how will changes in land use affect the model?", or "how does increased methane content affect the model?"

These questions are readily acknowledged by scientists as being unknowns. Given that, and the fact that there is virtually no detailed historical data to tune the model as compared to forecasts (the earth has only been through about three heating/cooling cycles in the last half million years), and there is no debating that today's models are a best guess... at best.

I don't dispute that the earth is warming. The severity, human influence, and length of the trend, are nothing more than educated guesses from today's science.

[the_professor]

In the sixties the same esteemed ivory tower mob of over educated idiots were saying that an Ice Age was coming soon .

Amen.

[2R]

Fear not

Hey if the self proclaimed inventor of the internet Al Gore says "its true "it must be true right ???

Now where did i put my superbowl beer supply.


I was really disappointed that the ice age never came as i was looking forward to seeing a certain part of the world under a half mile of ice

[Siddley Hawker]

Then again maybe it ain't as true as Gore would have us believe.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

[the_professor]

Then again maybe it ain't as true as Gore would have us believe.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Some tidbits, for those too lazy to read. My source is the article link above.

- "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."

- Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

- "But Karlen clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off."

- "Had the IPCC used the standard parameter for climate change (the 30 year average) and used an equal area projection, instead of the Mercator (which doubled the area of warming in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Ocean) warming and cooling would have been almost in balance."

- "Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."

[2R]

Oh shit here comes the Ice Age fearmongers again.At least it will shut the we are melting mob up for a while.
Maybe we could get them to settle their argument UFC fight club style.Only we allow as much biting and a few weapons as well just like real fighting.Kicks in the groin area encouraged after all we do not want the debate to go on to long as it may scare the children