Heard a rumour... CanJet to close YHZ base?

[invertedattitude]

Any truth?

[ourkid2000]

I know maintenance is getting the boot from YHZ..........again.

[CJ6]

And I quote "Heard a rumor..."

And thats exactly what it is...our present C.A. protects Halifax as base. (as it is our only base)

['79K20driver]

However, since most of the pilots live, and most of the flying originates elsewhere, like YYZ and YUL and out west to a growing extent, I'm sure at least a downsizing of the YHZ base is desirable to the company. This may be just a rumour (for now) but there is a valid reason for it being out there.

[CJ6]

Driver, you are right. Not a whole lot of flying is done out of YHZ comparative to YUL and YYZ, and downsizing YHZ would be desirable to the company.

But, the one (only) thing we have going for us is our CA. There is only one base stipulated in our contract, and that is YHZ...so in order for YHZ to be downsized they would have to move us to another "base"...which dosen't exist at this moment (contract wise).

[rigpiggy]

They have to protect "The Magnificent Seven"

[WALL E]

So how long does the contract have left on it?
I bet that you won't see YHZ as a base in the next one.

[Troubleshot]

I remember all to well what happened the last time the pilot group backed KR into a corner...I got a pink slip.

['79K20driver]

The contract has two years to go. It will be interesting to see what happens with the 'one base' system at that point. I think in the meantime it would better suit the YHZ pilots in their cause to maintain a base if they would bid to fill all the available YHZ pairings instead of bidding the Toronto and Montreal ones. It's pretty hard for the pilots to justify a base to the company when they are bidding to fly out of other places while leaving YHZ pairings vacant. As it is there are some junior YYZ, YUL and YVR pilots deadheading to YHZ to do the less desirable pairings while many YHZ pilots are deadheading to YYZ and YUL to do turns out of there. It doesn't make sense and it must cost a fortune in hotels and airline tickets.

[mbav8r]

Simple solution, the Company should build better pairings out of YHZ. When I started at Jazz there were some dash pairings the began with a DH from YYC to YYZ and finished with a DH back. Those usually went to senior guys as they had a much higer credit. The 4 days with DH's were 26-28 credit, the 4 days without were 18-22. Like I said, if you build them, they will stay.

[Pratt]

Simple solution, the Company should build better pairings out of YHZ. When I started at Jazz there were some dash pairings the began with a DH from YYC to YYZ and finished with a DH back. Those usually went to senior guys as they had a much higer credit. The 4 days with DH's were 26-28 credit, the 4 days without were 18-22. Like I said, if you build them, they will stay.

Deadheading like that on the Dash is not the norm though, seems to happen alot more on the RJ. Either they were short in YYZ or too fat in YYC and trying to even things out across the board. Unfortunately not many 4 day pairings with that credit on the Dash as a norm.

[mbav8r]

mbav8r wrote:
Simple solution, the Company should build better pairings out of YHZ. When I started at Jazz there were some dash pairings the began with a DH from YYC to YYZ and finished with a DH back. Those usually went to senior guys as they had a much higer credit. The 4 days with DH's were 26-28 credit, the 4 days without were 18-22. Like I said, if you build them, they will stay.

I did refer to them in the past tense, but my point was simply build better pairings out of YHZ and you will find pilots bidding on them. If my seniority could hold any pairings I wanted, I would bid the highest credit ones so I could get my month done in the least amount of time on the road.

'79K20driver
The contract has two years to go. It will be interesting to see what happens with the 'one base' system at that point. I think in the meantime it would better suit the YHZ pilots in their cause to maintain a base if they would bid to fill all the available YHZ pairings instead of bidding the Toronto and Montreal ones. It's pretty hard for the pilots to justify a base to the company when they are bidding to fly out of other places while leaving YHZ pairings vacant. As it is there are some junior YYZ, YUL and YVR pilots deadheading to YHZ to do the less desirable pairings while many YHZ pilots are deadheading to YYZ and YUL to do turns out of there. It doesn't make sense and it must cost a fortune in hotels and airline tickets.

Build better pairings for the YHZ crews, problem solved

[J31]

I remember all to well what happened the last time the pilot group backed KR into a corner...I got a pink slip.

What a load of crap!

KR had decided to shut down scheduled ops long before the pilots had any negotiating clout. It was declining market, poor yield control and lack of vision that doomed Canjet back in 2005.

He realized that WestJet was more intent on growing their route structure in the Maritimes than buying CanJet. With AC/WS picking away at them and revenue declining the decision was made in May 2006 to shut down scheduled ops after Labour Day September 2006.

The pilot group never has and never will back KR into a corner because he looks at the big picture. It is about making money for IMP, if it is making enough cash then carry on. If not then shut it down like the corner store.

[Troubleshot]

I remember all to well what happened the last time the pilot group backed KR into a corner...I got a pink slip.

What a load of crap!

KR had decided to shut down scheduled ops long before the pilots had any negotiating clout. It was declining market, poor yield control and lack of vision that doomed Canjet back in 2005.

He realized that WestJet was more intent on growing their route structure in the Maritimes than buying CanJet. With AC/WS picking away at them and revenue declining the decision was made in May 2006 to shut down scheduled ops after Labour Day September 2006.

The pilot group never has and never will back KR into a corner because he looks at the big picture. It is about making money for IMP, if it is making enough cash then carry on. If not then shut it down like the corner store.

OK you keep tellin yourself that buddy....

[slapshot22]

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[Brad MacKay]

Air Atlantic had BA41, the Jetstream 41.

[AKIPA]

It's not a rumour it's just happening slowly and quietly. Just ask the 4 AME's in YHZ who got their notice.

[CJ6]

and on that note...3 of them were given jobs else where in IMP...and the 4th asked to be laid off rather than moved to a different IMP operation...they weren't just fired or laid off!

[Troubleshot]

and on that note...3 of them were given jobs else where in IMP...and the 4th asked to be laid off rather than moved to a different IMP operation...they weren't just fired or laid off!

You make it sound like they chose these positions, and one was not offered jack...and that is a fact!

[AKIPA]

I was making my statement in the context of the thread. No need to get defensive. Being offered another position in IMP, in another province, or nothing at all doesn't change anything. The YHZ base for Canjet is slowly getting smaller.

[Troubleshot]

Actually I just fround out this morning that 1 AME went to Jazz, 1 to PAL in YYT, 2 others still looking for work. No IMP positions (outside CanJet) were offered to any of them....they had the option to take positions in YYZ or YUL (at their own expense) or take the lay off.

And what do you mean "in the context of the thread"? you said they were offered IMP positions elsewhere as in they are doin just fine, I am offended by your statement cause all four of them are good friends (and ex-coworkers) of mine so thats why I chose to clarifiy things, rather than paint a rosey picture.

[AKIPA]

Actually I just fround out this morning that 1 AME went to Jazz, 1 to PAL in YYT, 2 others still looking for work. No IMP positions (outside CanJet) were offered to any of them....they had the option to take positions in YYZ or YUL (at their own expense) or take the lay off.

And what do you mean "in the context of the thread"? you said they were offered IMP positions elsewhere as in they are doin just fine, I am offended by your statement cause all four of them are good friends (and ex-coworkers) of mine so thats why I chose to clarifiy things, rather than paint a rosey picture.

My response was to CJ6 and not you Troubleshot, sorry for the confusion. I was going on what CJ6 said and stating it didn't matter if they were offered other positions, Canjets YHZ base was getting smaller. That is what I meant by "the context of the thread" (Heard a rumour... CanJet to close YHZ base?). As I stated previously they were given their notice. I was aware they were offered YYZ or YUL but not if they were offered anything else.

[Troubleshot]

Roger.